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From anything I can see, conversion rates on 4th and 1 are historically around 70% (a little less really; around 65% but runs are nearer 70% and Lynn almost certainly would've run it). So you're gonna take a 30% chance of effectively being dead on arrival so you can get 4 new downs 65 yards away from the end-zone knowing full well that anything less than punching the ball in for 6 leaves you with the same 'shit, Mahomes just needs to get into FG range' situation? Your ratios are off and you're ignoring a TON of context. |
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Or if you had the 85 Bears D\or Raven SB D and the score was tied 0-0 or 3-3 something like that then yeah I would punt it but other than that I am going for it while playing against Mahomes. |
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#95 |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
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And again, you're LESS likely to get a stop against Mahomes if you kick the FG.
By punting, if the Chiefs are facing 3rd and 5 at their own 35, if they don't convert 3rd down they'll punt on 4th. So you're not even having to play run really because you aren't terribly concerned they'll go for it that deep in their own territory on 4th. But if you kick a FG and you're facing them on 3rd and 5 at their own 35, they could still hand the damn thing off knowing that they're going for it on 4th. So now you have to protect more against that and maybe Hill breaks free (again). A FG for the Chargers in that scenario does almost NOTHING for them. They're better served trying to pin the Chiefs deep, hope you force the stop and then get the ball back when a FG WILL win you the game. By getting the ball first and ensuring that only a TD can keep the ball out of Mahomes hands, they were in a tough spot. With a 30% chance of cutting their own throats, it's EASY to see why they punt it away. They just didn't have the firepower to assume that picking up that 1st was simply the first step towards the inevitable TD drive. And the likely scenarios put in place by a mere FG didn't do much to help their situation at all. |
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What chances do you give the best team & quarterback in football driving down the field with likely 4 downs to achieve AT LEAST 3 points? |
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#100 |
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I think punting was the right call. At least make the Chiefs work to win the game. The Chargers could have gotten a turnover or something. You never know.
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To me, the data seems to indicate that it was a 50/50 call.
The Chargers seem to have had an 80% of converting had they called a sneak, but their odds of winning were still dependent of them driving for a TD. So to me, it all depends on the coach and their gut feeling. Personally, I’ve loved that Andy has become more aggressive in these situations with Pat and I think I will always prefer that coaches go for it in these 50/50 situations. Just my two cents. Last edited by Chiefspants; 09-21-2020 at 11:32 AM.. |
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The other thing that a head coach has to consider, that fans don’t, is the message he is sending to his team. The Chargers defense looks legit. If they make the playoffs this year, it’ll be on the backs of their defense. If, as the HC, you go for it there, in effect you’re saying “Pat Mahomes and his crew are so much better than you guys as a unit, I’d rather risk losing the game on one play than sending you back on the field”. You could argue the reverse can then be said about the offense but way more times than not, coaches would punt there so at least you have a hundred years of history on your side.
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