What to do about Wanya Morris?

[SHOWTIME]

The guy is absolutely brutal

Veach needs to get Donovan Smith or Bakhtiari in here ASAP. Wanya is not sustainable for the rest of the season.

[Sassy Squatch]

I'm going to have to disagree in regards to Morris not sinking game plans. He was getting absolutely worked by the secondary pass rushers as well. Tyree Wilson beat him almost immediately for a sack. Not to mention the holding that was inches away from being a safety.

Hell, the fact that raw as **** Suamataia won the starting job over Morris out of camp despite his myriad of flaws in technique says all it needs to.

[Chiefs4TheWin]

Yeah I mean there's two options. Throw Suamataia in and and hopefully get some growth or keep him in.

LT will be a problem for the rest of the season and that's just something we have to gameplan around.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

The problem with both these kids is when they lose it's devastatingly fast. And that's why Mahomes is lucky if he can feel it and immediately bail out, otherwise he is going down.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But honestly, Donovan Smith has some of the same issues over there.

Thank your for mentioning this.

Maybe I’m crazy, but I’m pretty sure I remember Donovan Smith getting his ass whooped in the Super Bowl. Badly.

I don’t think a guy like him (who isn’t an athletic OT) is going to come in without a training camp and be any type of upgrade.

Seems like he’d come in out of shape and struggle as much (likely more).

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Chiefs4TheWin

Yeah I mean there's two options. Throw Suamataia in and and hopefully get some growth or keep him in.

LT will be a problem for the rest of the season and that's just something we have to gameplan around.

It will be. It was last year, although almost nonexistent in the playoffs.

What they have going for them is they're likely to play just two home games in really cold weather with a legit rush offense to boot. That's about as good a recipe as you can have to protect a left tackle in those games.

[Sassy Squatch]

Huh? LT was absolutely a problem in the playoffs, especially once we started playing legit defenses and not the MASH units fielded by Miami and Buffalo. Couldn't score a single point in the second half against Baltimore and the only TD in regulation against San Francisco was off a muffed punt giving us incredible field position.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

It will be. It was last year, although almost nonexistent in the playoffs.

What they have going for them is they're likely to play just two home games in really cold weather with a legit rush offense to boot. That's about as good a recipe as you can have to protect a left tackle in those games.

The only AFC teams that may give the Chiefs trouble with their pass rush is Houston with Will Anderson (and perhaps Pittsburgh with TJ Watt). Both are game wreckers. Buffalo can't rush the passer that well and Baltimore we've handled before.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

I'm going to have to disagree in regards to Morris not sinking game plans. He was getting absolutely worked by the secondary pass rushers as well. Tyree Wilson beat him almost immediately for a sack. Not to mention the holding that was inches away from being a safety.

Hell, the fact that raw as **** Suamataia won the starting job over Morris out of camp despite his myriad of flaws in technique says all it needs to.

I think the staff made a mistake there. Kingsley looked way better in camp bc his athleticism was noticeably better. We could run screens way more effectively with him and I think the staff pretty much handed him that role.

Kingsley needs an offseason where he does nothing but work on technique. No draft prep shit most of the offseason like this year. Just focus on becoming a better tackle on the field.

If Kingsley can work himself to Wanya’s current level of play next year as a playable tackle that is steady okay of the time it’s a win for a 2nd year player.

And tbh I think that would really help Wanya. I am so confident that G is the place for Wanya to succeed bc he’s losing on speed rushes on the edge which won’t happen inside.

I don’t think we would see a big drop off at all if Wanya replaced Trey Smith at RG next season

[Kman34]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

Bosa was having his way with our tackles last week and Hendrickson almost single handedly wrecked the o-line vs Cincy. it's not just Crosby.

And Chris Jones puts clown shoes on offensive linemen on the regular.. Some guys are special…

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Huh? LT was absolutely a problem in the playoffs, especially once we started playing legit defenses and not the MASH units fielded by Miami and Buffalo. Couldn't score a single point in the second half against Baltimore and the only TD in regulation against San Francisco was off a muffed punt giving us incredible field position.

I'll give you the Super Bowl, it was a problem at times there. But other than that, it wasn't anything like yesterday was.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Kman34

And Chris Jones puts clown shoes on offensive linemen on the regular.. Some guys are special…

And when folks say "Yeah, but Tyree Wilson got a sack!" --- and?

A lot of the sacks Wharton and/or Karlaftis gets are as a result of the gravity of Chris Jones.

Crosby, like Jones, impacts every play he's in for. And those guys get paid a lot for a reason. They're game-wreckers.

And not a lot of teams have 'em.

It's not an ideal situation we find ourselves in but it's the NFL - ideal is never a thing. And we can make this work provided that Morris plays no worse than he's played to this point. What we've gotten from him has been slightly below average.

We can win with that. It won't always be pretty, but we can do it.

[Mecca]

It's gonna be Morris and it is what it is, you aren't going to find a LT at the end of October. When you are this team you are either going to have to spend a ****ton of money for the 1 LT that makes it into FA in a 5 year span, make a trade with a team that involves high picks and paying a guy...or trading high into the draft that involves giving up a bunch of picks for a guy with the traits few questions.

If you don't want to do any of those then this is what we get, drafting OT's at the end of rounds on nothing but just athletic ability or raw undeveloped traits and then you pray one of them does develop.

That is what happens when you win a lot.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's gonna be Morris and it is what it is, you aren't going to find a LT at the end of October. When you are this team you are either going to have to spend a ****ton of money for the 1 LT that makes it into FA in a 5 year span, make a trade with a team that involves high picks and paying a guy...or trading high into the draft that involves giving up a bunch of picks for a guy with the traits few questions.

If you don't want to do any of those then this is what we get, drafting OT's at the end of rounds on nothing but just athletic ability or raw undeveloped traits and then you pray one of them does develop.

That is what happens when you win a lot.

And even most high pick OTs aren't ready quickly.

The same things that have led to QBs and WRs being more NFL ready than they used to be has simultaneously led to OTs being LESS ready.

There are a lot of bad young OTs in this league. And some of them will be less bad in the future. Fewer still will be genuinely good.

You just have to keep taking the shot. And honestly, that's kinda why it's not a great idea to re-sign Smith and/or Thuney - some of those shots you take will yield guys that CAN be quality starting OGs and if you've bottlenecked that spot on your roster, you're just pissing away draft picks.

Keep gambling -- sooner or later we'll find a quality OT and in the process we'll probably find at least one more quality OG.

But man, apart from QB, there's just not a position out there that's harder to fill or has fewer guys available that can do the job at a high level. You just have to keep trying.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's gonna be Morris and it is what it is, you aren't going to find a LT at the end of October. When you are this team you are either going to have to spend a ****ton of money for the 1 LT that makes it into FA in a 5 year span, make a trade with a team that involves high picks and paying a guy...or trading high into the draft that involves giving up a bunch of picks for a guy with the traits few questions.

If you don't want to do any of those then this is what we get, drafting OT's at the end of rounds on nothing but just athletic ability or raw undeveloped traits and then you pray one of them does develop.

That is what happens when you win a lot.

Even trading for a high level player isn’t a guarantee. If that guy gets injured, you’re in really bad shape.

I also just realized that Laremy Tunsil has been penalized 12 times this year already. So, no one is immune to that.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's gonna be Morris and it is what it is, you aren't going to find a LT at the end of October. When you are this team you are either going to have to spend a ****ton of money for the 1 LT that makes it into FA in a 5 year span, make a trade with a team that involves high picks and paying a guy...or trading high into the draft that involves giving up a bunch of picks for a guy with the traits few questions.

If you don't want to do any of those then this is what we get, drafting OT's at the end of rounds on nothing but just athletic ability or raw undeveloped traits and then you pray one of them does develop.

That is what happens when you win a lot.

Yep. Let's compare to New England in the years following their initial Super Bowls.

They had a lot of good at left tackle, Solder at times was Pro Bowl-ish. But it was never great. You gotta go out and sign the Trent Williams of the world if you want that, and that's a once in every five to ten year opportunity.