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**Rain Man** · 03-22-2009, 12:15 AM

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.

Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)

Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.

Teams As Of Post #113:

Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

**RealSNR** · 03-24-2009, 12:02 AM

Is this still going on? I want in.

I would like to claim ownership of the Fargo Rape

Hound333 · 03-24-2009, 05:17 AM

I haven't read all the posts. I will take Austin if no one else has.

beach tribe · 03-24-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

How the **** am I supposed to know what the Arrowhead CIA is going to do "on the clock"? You want me to put my OWN team together comprised strictly of draft picks and then see who has the highest numbers at the end of the season, I can do THAT.

You want me to pick the biggest impact player from the Chiefs top 4 this year? I can do THAT, and I'll kick everyone else's asses doing it!

But with the Chiefs new MO's, there's no way in HELL I'm jumping in to trying to predict their minds on draft day.

Sorry to bring this thread back up, but I wanted to clarify this.

The draft challenge would be nothing more than you making the pick for the chiefs. It has nothing to do with what the chiefs do. It's who you would pick.
We start a thread on draft day, and while the chiefs are on the clock you make your pick of the available players. It's as simple as that. Then we can see who's picks bust, and who's pick excell. I know that none of the draft gurus will do it though. because they never like to be held to their picks. They like to come back later, and say how dumb the chiefs picks were, but won't make a record of who they would have picked.

jwazzie · 03-24-2009, 10:42 AM

I will take Wichita if no one else does.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-24-2009, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Sorry to bring this thread back up, but I wanted to clarify this.

The draft challenge would be nothing more than you making the pick for the chiefs. It has nothing to do with what the chiefs do. It's who you would pick.
We start a thread on draft day, and while the chiefs are on the clock you make your pick of the available players. It's as simple as that. Then we can see who's picks bust, and who's pick excell. I know that none of the draft gurus will do it though. because they never like to be held to their picks. They like to come back later, and say how dumb the chiefs picks were, but won't make a record of who they would have picked.

When are we going to start judging these picks though? If I take Sanchez or Stafford at 3rd overall, and they don't start with their respective teams???
Not everybody are the Chiefs, who are going to start Brandon Flowers in week one against the Pats, yes?

beach tribe · 03-24-2009, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

When are we going to start judging these picks though? If I take Sanchez or Stafford at 3rd overall, and they don't start with their respective teams???
Not everybody are the Chiefs, who are going to start Brandon Flowers in week one against the Pats, yes?

You may have to wait a while to brag about your pick. It may be that way with any pick, but if he does turn into a stud, or flop, we'll know. We're gonna be here for years, No?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-24-2009, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

You may have to wait a while to brag about your pick. It may be that way with any pick, but if he does turn into a stud, or flop, we'll know. We're gonna be here for years, No?

True enough.

bdeg · 03-24-2009, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I know that none of the draft gurus will do it though. because they never like to be held to their picks. They like to come back later, and say how dumb the chiefs picks were, but won't make a record of who they would have picked.

I'm surprised some of the more knowledgeable people on here haven't signed up.

Maybe some of them don't have the time, but considering how much time they spend talking about football I can't comprehend there being disinterest.

Have some balls. It's a game. Have some fun with it.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-24-2009, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdeg

I'm surprised some of the more knowledgeable people on here haven't signed up.

Maybe some of them don't have the time, but considering how much time they spend talking about football I can't comprehend there being disinterest.

Have some balls. It's a game. Have some fun with it.

Without the instant gratification, it kinda' loses a lot of appeal.

bdeg · 03-24-2009, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Sorry to bring this thread back up, but I wanted to clarify this.

The draft challenge would be nothing more than you making the pick for the chiefs. It has nothing to do with what the chiefs do. It's who you would pick.
We start a thread on draft day, and while the chiefs are on the clock you make your pick of the available players. It's as simple as that. Then we can see who's picks bust, and who's pick excell. I know that none of the draft gurus will do it though. because they never like to be held to their picks. They like to come back later, and say how dumb the chiefs picks were, but won't make a record of who they would have picked.

This is not what the rules say.

It will be conducted post-draft, and we will have the benefit of knowing the entire draft and who will be available at later selections.

Unfortunate, but more practical than doing it during the draft.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-24-2009, 04:24 PM

Uh, when you fella's get this figured out, get back to us.

bdeg · 03-24-2009, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Uh, when you fella's get this figured out, get back to us.

Did you read my post?

Did I stutter?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-24-2009, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdeg

Did you read my post?

Did I stutter?

I read your post. I still have no idea what we're doing.

bdeg · 03-24-2009, 04:43 PM

After the draft we all say who we would have taken in the Chiefs' spots. You do this every year and build your own unique team over the coming years.

That's really all you need to know.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-24-2009, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdeg

After the draft we all say who we would have taken in the Chiefs' spots. You do this every year and build your own unique team over the coming years.

That's really all you need to know.

So basically, we cherry pick anyone who has declared? What happens if your late-late round guys get put out on the waiver wire?

03-22-2009, 12:15 AM
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Rain Man's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house	Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years. 1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster. 2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add. 3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing. 4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster. 5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have. 6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post. 6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. 7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players. Original post: You can ignore this now. Spoiler! Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon. The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting. Here's how the game will work. Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.) Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly. Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub". Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285. Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues. Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player. There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap. I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting. So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team. Teams As Of Post #113: Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox) Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333) Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman) Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon) Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover) Duluth Normans (Rain Man) El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz) Fargo Rape (SNR) Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good) Fresno Refugees (Adam) Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter) Hartford Manticores (Crush) Honolulu Craters (Sully) Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu) Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser) Little Rock Reapers (doomy3) Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan) Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis) Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut) Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka) Omaha Streakers (speak24) Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry) Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72) San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog) Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg) Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23) Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts) Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1) Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie) Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk) Worcester Sauce (unothadeal) Added Rules and Reminders: 1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted. 2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in. 3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent. For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259) For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.) You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.) Last edited by Rain Man; 04-25-2024 at 11:30 AM..*
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03-24-2009, 05:17 AM	#92
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