***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by SupDock

I can't speak for how it was, but there are free lunches on occasion for hearing about a new drug . I'm not aware of any drug company paying individuals for prescribing meds. You can actually look up any provider to see how they have been compensated by drug companies.

This information is reported, and can be searched by anyone.

https://openpaymentsdata.cms.gov

The major outlier would be subspecialists getting compensated for giving talks about a drug to a group of physicians at a conference.

Ya drug luncheon, seminars yes but doesn’t really sway doctors too much all reps do it. They have cracked down a lot on , free golf , hookers stuff like that

[Stanley Nickels]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I am not a Doctor but my ex-wife worked for one for over 20 years. They absolutely get kick backs from certain drug companies. They most certainly get commissions from big pharma companies. I know that the Doctor she worked for got them constantly. It was part of the reason he steered people certain directions in med choices and diagnosis.

This is not at all happening on any routine (non-illicit) basis nowadays. Some docs receive compensation for their time and input (and sometimes necessary travel) related to pharmaceutical drug development, but that's an absolute necessity (won't get too far into this here) and their time is worth money. But the "pay for play" style kickbacks don't really happen in any routine practice.

[Hammock Parties]

[Stanley Nickels]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Ya drug luncheon, seminars yes but doesn’t really sway doctors too much all reps do it. They have cracked down a lot on , free golf , hookers stuff like that

They used to take the lot of 'em to Vail or Acupulco, have activities all day and a five-star dinner at night, with about thirty minutes of talks/slides somewhere in there.. That was mostly in the 90s though. Hasn't been that way for some time now and the Sunshine Act REALLY put the clamps down.

[Hammock Parties]

Reported coronavirus cases:

3/1: 89
3/2: 105
3/3: 125
3/4: 159
3/5: 227
3/6: 331
3/7: 444
3/8: 564
3/9: 728
3/10: 1,000
3/11: 1,267
3/12: 1,645
3/13: 2,204
3/14: 2,826
3/15: 3,505
3/16: 4,466
3/17: 6,135
3/18: 8,760
3/19: 13,229
3/20: 18,763
3/21: 25,740
3/22: 34,276
Now: 42,663

— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) March 24, 2020

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Reported coronavirus cases:

3/1: 89
3/2: 105
3/3: 125
3/4: 159
3/5: 227
3/6: 331
3/7: 444
3/8: 564
3/9: 728
3/10: 1,000
3/11: 1,267
3/12: 1,645
3/13: 2,204
3/14: 2,826
3/15: 3,505
3/16: 4,466
3/17: 6,135
3/18: 8,760
3/19: 13,229
3/20: 18,763
3/21: 25,740
3/22: 34,276
Now: 42,663

— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) March 24, 2020

We’re on track for at least 400K cases in the next 2 weeks I’d guess.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by mac459

Will you guys take the pissing match to another thread or to private messages, please.



I hate checking this thread to see people ****ing arguing instead of posting news, and it’s normally the same people arguing

Yeah, I don't get all of the opinion spamming, especially since we'll never know if this was all an overreaction... we'll only know if we didn't do enough.

[eDave]

Hard to find a rental car here. Tons of people flying in. Departures level at PHX is show, arrival level is real busy.

Inbound highway traffic from LA and SD far outpaces outbound, but not gridlocked.

That's a lot of potential carriers being introduce into this, currently low risk, space.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels

They used to take the lot of 'em to Vail or Acupulco, have activities all day and a five-star dinner at night, with about thirty minutes of talks/slides somewhere in there.. That was mostly in the 90s though. Hasn't been that way for some time now and the Sunshine Act REALLY put the clamps down.

I miss the free golf and when spouses were invited to talks we would just eat and get hammered while they learn

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Reported coronavirus cases:

3/1: 89
3/2: 105
3/3: 125
3/4: 159
3/5: 227
3/6: 331
3/7: 444
3/8: 564
3/9: 728
3/10: 1,000
3/11: 1,267
3/12: 1,645
3/13: 2,204
3/14: 2,826
3/15: 3,505
3/16: 4,466
3/17: 6,135
3/18: 8,760
3/19: 13,229
3/20: 18,763
3/21: 25,740
3/22: 34,276
Now: 42,663

— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) March 24, 2020

Total US coronavirus deaths in March via @CNN:

3/1: 2
3/2: 6
3/3: 9
3/4: 11
3/5: 12
3/6: 17
3/7: 19
3/8: 21
3/9: 26
3/10: 31
3/11: 38
3/12: 41
3/13: 49
3/14: 58
3/15: 65
3/16: 87
3/17: 111
3/18: 149
3/19: 195
3/20: 263
3/21: 323
3/22: 413
Now: 541

— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) March 24, 2020

[eDave]

Expontial growth.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by eDave

Expontial growth.

We don’t really know tha because you know testing just ramped up. We won’t know if virus is really exploding till next week

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

We don’t really know tha because you know testing just ramped up. We won’t know if virus is really exploding till next week

It’s absolutely growing exponentially and will continue to do so during the first 2-3 weeks, how fast is the only thing that remains to be seen.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by eDave

eating buggers improves your immune system.

The hell you say...

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Total US coronavirus deaths in March via @CNN:

3/1: 2
3/2: 6
3/3: 9
3/4: 11
3/5: 12
3/6: 17
3/7: 19
3/8: 21
3/9: 26
3/10: 31
3/11: 38
3/12: 41
3/13: 49
3/14: 58
3/15: 65
3/16: 87
3/17: 111
3/18: 149
3/19: 195
3/20: 263
3/21: 323
3/22: 413
Now: 541

— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) March 24, 2020

This shows you that the mortality rate ON REPORTED CASES is higher than 1%. The avg duration from onset to death is 8 days. The current death total of 541 dates back to a pool of infected of approximated 4,460. The rate from that pool is closer to 13%. To test this trend there would be approximately 216 deaths tomorrow.