Adrian Peterson Indicted

[doomy3]

Reckless/negligent injury to a child. Indicted.

This league may not be able to sustain too many more of these black eyes. It's a mess.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Cunning Linguist

Of course it works in the short-term. It's no wonder kids will comply because they don't want someone (whom they deeply love, mind you) significantly larger than them to beat the shit out of them again.

Anyways, short-term solution is the only positive you can point to, and this 88 study meta-analysis can elaborate. You might want to pass it on to your former child development professor and classmates.



Article URL:
http://www.apa.org/news/press/releas.../spanking.aspx

Actual Study PDF:
http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/rel...ul-1284539.pdf

"strong associations" between corporal punishment and all eleven child behaviors and experiences. Ten of the associations were negative such as with increased child aggression and antisocial behavior. The single desirable association was between corporal punishment and increased immediate compliance on the part of the child.

So you're saying children that were spanked also displayed negative behaviors?

No $3it, it's the whole reason the parents spank them to begin with.

It's like saying giving people speeding tickets makes them more likely to speed.

The single desirable association was between corporal punishment and increased immediate compliance on the part of the child.

So the study also agrees that corporal punishment increased compliance, which is the whole point of doing it.
So, yes, it does work.

[Don Corlemahomes]

From the original study:

Ten of the 11 meta-analyses indicate parental corporal punishment is associated with the following undesirable behaviors and experiences: decreased moral internalization, increased child aggression, increased child delinquent and antisocial behavior, decreased quality of relationship between parent and child, decreased child mental health, increased risk of being a victim of physical abuse, increased adult aggression, increased adult criminal and antisocial behavior, decreased adult mental health, and increased risk of abusing own child or spouse. Corporal punishment was associated with only one desirable behavior, namely, increased immediate compliance.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

More and more sponsors and pulling away from AP and the Viqueens, good.

As long as they perceive that AP can make them money it's all good. Otherwise they don't give a shit about AP or any of his family. Not saying I blame them but it's only about the money for the sponsors.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Cunning Linguist

Of course it works in the short-term. It's no wonder kids will comply because they don't want someone (whom they deeply love, mind you) significantly larger than them to beat the shit out of them again.

Anyways, short-term solution is the only positive you can point to, and this 88 study meta-analysis can elaborate. You might want to pass it on to your former child development professor and classmates.



Article URL:
http://www.apa.org/news/press/releas.../spanking.aspx

Actual Study PDF:
http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/rel...ul-1284539.pdf

So that's why slave owners whipped their slaves, raped the women, split up families by selling them off, made dogs chase down runaway slaves and rip them to shreds, and held public executions. Because it works, right? Fear of that punishment is what kept the slaves in line, exactly like how beating a kid until he bleeds from multiple wounds will make him want to avoid disappointing you again.

I totally understand Peterson now. Excellent parenting, should teach more children like that so they can learn, cause it really works so well.

[Don Corlemahomes]

Originally Posted by Rausch

So you're saying children that were spanked also displayed negative behaviors?

No $3it, it's the whole reason the parents spank them to begin with.

It's like saying giving people speeding tickets makes them more likely to speed.



So the study also agrees that corporal punishment increased compliance, which is the whole point of doing it.
So, yes, it does work.

Also included, which you failed to mention: decreased quality of relationship between parent and child, decreased child mental health, increased risk of being a victim of physical abuse, increased adult aggression, increased adult criminal and antisocial behavior, decreased adult mental health, and increased risk of abusing own child or spouse.

You kinda missed the boat on pretty much everything except what you lumped together as compliance, which is actually immediate, but not longterm, compliance.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Cunning Linguist

From the original study:

Any numbers or percentages in that?

And I'm wondering how the further back you go the more common corporal punishment was but people seem to be more violent now.

Notice I said seem because my Delorean is in the shop and I've got no way to go back to the 30's and conduct a study...

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Cunning Linguist

Also included, which you failed to mention: decreased quality of relationship between parent and child, decreased child mental health, increased risk of being a victim of physical abuse, increased adult aggression, increased adult criminal and antisocial behavior, decreased adult mental health, and increased risk of abusing own child or spouse.

You kinda missed the boat on pretty much everything except what you lumped together as compliance, which is actually immediate, but not longterm, compliance.

Again, almost all those negatives are reasons a child gets spanked.

Did they find a child that DIDN'T get spanked then start spanking them to see the difference? I bet not. Doesn't seem like a very ethical thing to do.

Bad behavior as a child is a good indicator of bad behavior as an adult.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Any numbers or percentages in that?

And I'm wondering how the further back you go the more common corporal punishment was but people seem to be more violent now.

Notice I said seem because my Delorean is in the shop and I've got no way to go back to the 30's and conduct a study...

I get your point.

Corporal punishment used to be the norm. Period. According to these studies people keep quoting the entire US population from known existence to the last 20 years or so should be criminals and bad people due to this.

Yet oddly enough as corporal punishment has become less the norm, we have more criminals in jail than ever.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Again, almost all those negatives are reasons a child gets spanked.

Did they find a child that DIDN'T get spanked then start spanking them to see the difference? I bet not. Doesn't seem like a very ethical thing to do.

Bad behavior as a child is a good indicator of bad behavior as an adult.

A child isn't born with an inclination for bad behavior, they are heavily influenced by the environment around them, namely their parents and older siblings if they have any. As they say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Shit parent => Shit child => Shit adult => Shit parent

And the cycle continues.

[Don Corlemahomes]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I get your point.

Corporal punishment used to be the norm. Period. According to these studies people keep quoting the entire US population from known existence to the last 20 years or so should be criminals and bad people due to this.

Yet oddly enough as corporal punishment has become less the norm, we have more criminals in jail than ever.

Man, read the article dude.

But, Gershoff also cautions that her findings do not imply that all children who experience corporal punishment turn out to be aggressive or delinquent. A variety of situational factors, such as the parent/child relationship, can moderate the effects of corporal punishment. Furthermore, studying the true effects of corporal punishment requires drawing a boundary line between punishment and abuse. This is a difficult thing to do, especially when relying on parents' self-reports of their discipline tactics and interpretations of normative punishment.

[Don Corlemahomes]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Again, almost all those negatives are reasons a child gets spanked.

Did they find a child that DIDN'T get spanked then start spanking them to see the difference? I bet not. Doesn't seem like a very ethical thing to do.

Bad behavior as a child is a good indicator of bad behavior as an adult.

I can't even take you seriously anymore.

Not worth it.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Cunning Linguist

Man, read the article dude.

Yeah, sounds like complete bull$3it.

"I make these connections but admit that things like wether or not you're abused might have an impact."

No $3it, really!

I'm shocked.

So they clearly didn't even bother to draw their own line between what is or isn't abuse in the study. You might as well say that people who eat meat are more likely to be cannibals...

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Cunning Linguist

I can't even take you seriously anymore.

Not worth it.

Look at your own study.

The meta-analysis also demonstrates that the frequency and severity of the corporal punishment matters. The more often or more harshly a child was hit, the more likely they are to be aggressive or to have mental health problems.

This is stating the obvious. You can't beat the $3it out of a kid and think he won't be ****ed up. That's common sense. But the article states that they relied on the word of the parents. This was not, at any point, direct observation of behavior.

You get that right? It's not science - it's a ****ing poll after the fact.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Cunning Linguist

Man, read the article dude.

I wasn't referencing only what you posted.

Pawnmower made a very valid point some time back in this thread, any type of punishment handled poorly can be abuse or detrimental.

Verbal, emotional, etc....

Any type of behavioral correction needs to be done in a manner that is only designed to correct the issue.

Here is a simple way of looking at it.

The minimum amount of corrective action needed to change the behavior.

That doesn't only apply to corporal punishment nor does it rule it out.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

A child isn't born with an inclination for bad behavior, they are heavily influenced by the environment around them, namely their parents and older siblings if they have any. As they say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Shit parent => Shit child => Shit adult => Shit parent

And the cycle continues.

This is complete bullshit.

I know people who have many kids, are great parents, and one of their kids is a complete shithead turd.

That's not that uncommon and blows away this stupid generalized simple statement.

Yes environment can play a roll but some kids are born bad. Its a ****ing fact.