***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

The only saving grace about pandemics is that they respect governmental borders.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

458 deaths/45,000 known cases= ~1.1%. I specifically stated known cases.

And as someone else said its way way lower because of the unknown cases.

If there are 45,000 known cases, and most of them are active, then you aren't finding any mortality rate. The majority of those don't have a known outcome yet.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Monticore

My wife hasn't gotten me any , should I take that as a sign.

When she comes home from work, does she turn her mask that she's been wearing all day inside out and tell you to wear it for safety?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by O.city

I’ve been reading my ass off on a lot of studies coming out on this

It’s looking more and more like there’s a shit load of asymptomatic people out there with this. While that sucks in terms of spread, it would mean that we’re a lot farther along in terms of immunity than we thought

It would also mean it may not be THAT much worse than the flu, but it being novel and hitting us all at once it’s gonna clog up hospitals

I agree once we get a vaccine/heard immunity I might not be, I hope so anyways. It would even be better is this ****er never came back.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

how far are we away from those countries on the curve? Two weeks behind? One? You know? Is there a consensus?

I heard 4-5 days behind Spain, France and Germany. However we're bigger and more spread out.

But that looks pretty accurate for say NYC right now.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BWillie

If there are 45,000 known cases, and most of them are active, then you aren't finding any mortality rate. The majority of those don't have a known outcome yet.

I might have heard that somewhere before but I can't remember where.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BWillie

If there are 45,000 known cases, and most of them are active, then you aren't finding any mortality rate. The majority of those don't have a known outcome yet.

Every person, doctor and otherwise I have heard over this entire ordeal has consistently used the formula of total deaths/total cases.

[Hammock Parties]

Facebook is getting weird now...

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Donger

Not much worse than influenza in what regard?

In terms of IfR or death rate

The problem is it’s hitting us all at once vs an entire flu season

Essentially like taking flu season and compressing it into a month

Again this is just my interpretation on reading studies and such

['Hamas' Jenkins]

We're a few days behind the curve in places like NYC, but much farther behind in other areas, which is why piecemeal approaches to distancing and respecting quarantine may allow this thing to hop from hot spot to hot spot instead of getting snuffed out.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I agree once we get a vaccine/heard immunity I might not be, I hope so anyways. It would even better is this ****er never came back.

Don't forget that this is actually the second SARS pandemic. And the first one was caused by this:

https://time.com/5770904/wuhan-coron...-wild-animals/

[suzzer99]

Stay home all day seems like a disaster for porn addicts.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I agree once we get a vaccine/heard immunity I might not be, I hope so anyways. It would even better is this ****er never came back.

Britan thought herd immunity was a solution. Now they are threating their citizens with jail and fines for public gatherings of more than 2 people.

[BleedingRed]

https://twitter.com/S3Alkenani/statu...02385012240384

A great early result from a drug that will start tomorrow in New York and other places! #COVIDー19 https://t.co/4F4Qk4WFtK

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 23, 2020

Hydroxychloroquine, Azithromycin combination effective against COVID-19#CoronavirusPandemic #Covid_19india #COVID19outbreak #coronaupdatesindia #Hydroxychloroquine #Azithromycin https://t.co/ocXnDoBcDk

— India TV (@indiatvnews) March 22, 2020

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

When she comes home from work, does she turn her mask that she's been wearing all day inside out and tell you to wear it for safety?

no but I also don't get a BJ and a back rub so i'm still on the fence.