***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

Canada and Australia pull out of 2020 Olympics. Feels a tad premature but I bet it starts a chain reaction.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Again, I think you’re applying current infected and death rates when the time it takes for an infection to become serious/critical and lead to death is anywhere from a few days to two weeks or more. That’s why getting the overall infected numbers and rate of infection down now will keep the critical/death number down in 1-2 weeks.

And it technically isn’t “my” number with respect to the percentage that require hospitalization or ventilators. It’s what the government and WHO are saying. But I agree with you, let’s hope they’re wrong.

Yes, I am. What we think will be in 1-2 weeks is speculation without anyway to factor in certain variables. And while there is a place for that it's not where I choose to focus.

2 weeks ago we were told we were 2 weeks away from being Italy. Now we are hearing in 2 weeks we will know X. And 2 weeks after that we will know Y.

But that doesn't mean the numbers as they aren't today aren't really the numbers they are today. If you get my point.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Not like we were going to win anything.

[Sure-Oz]

@aljwhite: This is the best and clearest explanation of why people need to stay at home you could ever wish to see https://twitter.com/C4Dispatches/sta...172359/video/1

@LeBatardShow: ICYMI: Last week we spoke to Infectious Disease Specialist @celinegounder about the COVID-19 pandemic. It was a sobering interview in which Dr. Gounder details the important steps we need to take to prevent the spread of the virus.
- Lorenzo https://twitter.com/LeBatardShow/sta...084608/video/1

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

He also said in one interview that Pneumonia is included in the mild symptoms and Pneumonia is not actually mild.

Okay, I had not heard that but pneumonia is not an automatic reason to be admitted into the hospital. My Son has had it twice since Christmas and never was admitted. My Mother has had it 4 times and was admitted one of the four.

So on the surface I would have to agree with him if by mild he means you aren't being admitted to the hospital.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Not like we were going to win anything.

As soon as enough countries start pulling out, it will be over. Ultimately, it's not Japan's decision. It's everyone's.

[eDave]

Guy in Phoenix was diagnosed with Corona AFTER he died.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by eDave

As soon as enough countries start pulling out, it will be over. Ultimately, it's not Japan's decision. It's everyone's.

Hell, if we drop out it may be over. Definitely if us and another major player bail.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Our Govenor (CO) tightened the restrictions today. He is asking for businesses to cut their staff by 50% if non essential. If the normal work environment keeps people safe distance then no change needed. When he was asked who was going to enforce this, he said ( I shit you not) "the grim reaper".

"Polis said there isn't an enforcement authority over that order, but said the enforcement should come from the greatest authority of all, the Grim Reaper."

https://www.coloradopolitics.com/cor...98d29de60.html

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

Our Govenor (CO) tightened the restrictions today. He is asking for businesses to cut their staff by 50% if non essential. If the normal work environment keeps people safe distance then no change needed. When he was asked who was going to enforce this, he said ( I shit you not) "the grim reaper".
https://www.coloradopolitics.com/cor...98d29de60.html

Ha! That’s a great response!

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No, you don't merely repeat what experts say. You toss in a butt load of backhanded comments with it and then act like you aren't.

Don't get mad because I am not pretending you do otherwise.

Of course I'm going to post comments once in a while. I've got an opinion just like everyone else but honestly I don't know shit about this subject. It's all just an uneducated guess/comments on my part. At least I admit it.

However, medical experts all say the best thing we can right now is social distancing which you never seem to mention when you post the low death rate of the CoronaVirus. Try to be objective once in a while. You might enjoy it more than you think.

[Megatron96]

Shit's getting serious now . . .

"Belgium Health Minister Maggie de Block has put a ban on all non-essential sexual activities of persons 3 or greater in indoor areas.
Health Minister de Block announced today that, effective immediately, “non-essential” sexual activities of 3 people or more are banned in Belgium to combat the spread of COVID-19.

De Block said she was forced to act swiftly because of Belgium’s reputation as being the “beer-drinking” and “group sex capital of Europe.”


https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/bel...OtQ92khG51Cuj8

[kgrund]

Ok do not usually follow pandemics so I have a question. We are told a vaccine might be 12 -18 months out, but read we had one for H1N1 after 6 months. So what accounts for the longer timeframe compared to H1N1?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by eDave

Guy in Phoenix was diagnosed with Corona AFTER he died.

That doesn't shock me. I think we have had this far longer than we think. I also think it's no coincidence this is happening at the same time we are having one of the worst flu seasons we have ever seen and pneumonia cases are higher.

Then again it could be a huge coincidence. I just would not be shocked if people have had this for months and chalked it up to the flu.