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Old 07-22-2018, 02:30 PM  
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**Official Chiefs 2018 Training Camp Thread**

A new era is born!

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Old 07-31-2018, 04:42 PM   #856
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So far? Amerson looks better than I thought he would, Tremon Smith looks better than I thought he would, and Kendall Fuller looks like a pro-bowler.
Where'd you see that at?

As far as I am aware, they haven't played a down yet this season and we're already giving pro bowl nods?
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:43 PM   #857
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Absolutely.

But man, o' man, people around here saw a lot of potential in those guys when they were on the roster. Well, not Mauga but i clearly remember all the Wilson, JMJ, KPL, DJL Alexander and March hype trains.

No different than the Eligwe hype now. And our ILB group is not something i would call strong right now. Ragland had knee issues, and it's haunting us right now. Hitchens should be good, but that's about all we have.

Hitchens is the only real commodity we have there. Ragland was ok last season and his knee problems are rearing its ugly head.
Ragland has missed like 3 days of camp. Reid has said he could play if they needed him for a regular season game, they're just not because why bother with a swollen knee when it's training camp?

He has no other significant injury history to speak of. Just a freak ACL tear. That goes for him and like half the ****ing league.

At this point, we're not being haunted by shit. He's fine.
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:46 PM   #858
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Where'd you see that at?

As far as I am aware, they haven't played a down yet this season and we're already giving pro bowl nods?
He should have made the pro bowl last year and everything I've seen so far is Fuller is sticking to these fast as hell receivers like glue.
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:46 PM   #859
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let me rephrase that....if Bob Sutton doesn't let our defense pressure the QB then the QB is going to **** our CBs all game long.

This 3 man rush shit don't cut it.
That's an issue inherent in Sutton's defense. Which is why it's a shame Peters didn't work out.

You need corners who can play man, and play the ball when it's in the air. Otherwise you're going to get killed on the blitz

Surely you remember what happened to every corner opposite Peters, right? It was downright embarrassing.

The lack of cover corners is what forced the 3-man rush. They were getting murdered on the back end so they added more bodies, at the sacrifice of a pass rush.
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:48 PM   #860
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He should have made the pro bowl last year and everything I've seen so far is Fuller is sticking to these fast as hell receivers like glue.
I don't know about everything. I remember watching Fuller trip over his own feet on a downfield pass to (Watkins?).
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:49 PM   #861
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Ragland has missed like 3 days of camp. Reid has said he could play if they needed him for a regular season game, they're just not because why bother with a swollen knee when it's training camp?

He has no other significant injury history to speak of. Just a freak ACL tear. That goes for him and like half the ****ing league.

At this point, we're not being haunted by shit. He's fine.
Didn't he have some injury issues in college? And a knee swelling while sitting on his ass during a plane ride? That's cause for concern for sure.

IDC what Reid says. He was pretty confident about Houston too, and it took him more than half a season to return. Remember that?
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:49 PM   #862
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That's an issue inherent in Sutton's defense. Which is why it's a shame Peters didn't work out.

You need corners who can play man, and play the ball when it's in the air. Otherwise you're going to get killed on the blitz

Surely you remember what happened to every corner opposite Peters, right? It was downright embarrassing.

The lack of cover corners is what forced the 3-man rush. They were getting murdered on the back end so they added more bodies, at the sacrifice of a pass rush.
I don't care what QB it is or what CB it is...if a QB has all day to sit back and wait, the WR's will come open. Pass rush is where it all starts. A good pass rush makes average CB's better. A suck pass rush makes great CB's look like shit.
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:51 PM   #863
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People who think Dorsey was/is bad. Just watch Cleveland. I am telling you.

But are you gonna say he inherited a great team? Lol

Veach looks like a good one too but still has a lot to prove.
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:53 PM   #864
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I don't care what QB it is or what CB it is...if a QB has all day to sit back and wait, the WR's will come open. Pass rush is where it all starts. A good pass rush makes average CB's better. A suck pass rush makes great CB's look like shit.
And a corner who gets beat like a drum before the pass rush can get there makes the pass rush look like shit. The end result is the same.

You need both. If you're going to play the scheme Sutton wants, you have to have both. Otherwise one aspect of your D gets sacrificed.
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Old 07-31-2018, 05:07 PM   #865
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Old 07-31-2018, 05:08 PM   #866
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Thinking about going to camp for a day or two next week. Anything anyone can tell me about the visit? How kid friendly is the experience for a couple of girls? Is there any type of post practice social activity? Good bars or restaurants etc?

Any replies are appreciated

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Old 07-31-2018, 05:08 PM   #867
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Old 07-31-2018, 05:10 PM   #868
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Didn't he have some injury issues in college? And a knee swelling while sitting on his ass during a plane ride? That's cause for concern for sure.

IDC what Reid says. He was pretty confident about Houston too, and it took him more than half a season to return. Remember that?
Are you talking about Reid's decision to keep playing Houston the rest of 2015 and into the playoffs when he first sustained the injury? The decision to have surgery didn't occur until a couple months into the 2016 offseason, and at that point, there wasn't a single person (including Reid) who was saying, "Recovery from this surgery is a breeze. Houston won't miss any time at all!"

And if it's the 2015 thing you're talking about, I'd say these are pretty different situations. Houston's was an error by team doctors who said he didn't need surgery; Ragland's is simply something that occasionally happens to guys with ligament damage. It's pretty common for guys who have undergone ligament damage to have swelling from flights.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...t-does-it-mean

Is there a 100% chance this Ragland thing won't be a big deal? No, of course not. But given the guy started 10 games last year after enduring the tear the year before, and given he flew MANY times during the course of that season and still did well, would you really say we're being "haunted" by this injury?

Let's see where he's at in Preseason Week 3. If he's being held out of that game, THEN we have a problem.
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Old 07-31-2018, 05:13 PM   #869
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So now you don't consider him a talent?

And i like how we chose to remove all the offensive talent that Dorsey left for Veach as if that somehow shouldn't count.

"Shhh...lets just focus on the weakest part of the team right now that was going to need rebuilding whether Dorsey was here or not".
This entire conversation has been about the defense. The whole time. Even when I said Dorsey inherited a lot of talent.

And no, I’m not going to consider KPass as a greatly inherited talent until he proves it. Same goes for any other rookie.

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Old 07-31-2018, 05:38 PM   #870
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This entire conversation has been about the defense. The whole time. Even when I said Dorsey inherited a lot of talent.

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It's about the defense because it's a convenient argument that you narrowed in on.

The real conversation is about whether or not Dorsey was a good GM.

Focusing on the unit that was destined for a rebuild regardless of who the GM was is convenient for you, but not encompassing of the job he did.
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