***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Like I said, it's silly to think that those states magically suddenly have zero new cases. Which is why I said that it's much more likely that they simply haven't been updated. You chose to challenge me on that.

Once again the act of reading comprehension has failed you.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Once again the act of reading comprehension has failed you.

No, I read just fine, thanks. Perhaps you should go back to saying that masks don't do jack shit, eh?

[wazu]

If you look at the Johns Hopkins University map, it looks like nobody in the U.S. has "recovered". But WorldOfMeters shows totals by state. Where are these people getting data? Doesn't seem to be the same source.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, I read just fine, thanks. Perhaps you should go back to saying that masks don't do jack shit, eh?

Whatever you say, Donger. You have no idea of why there are no numbers reported. It could be the state hasn't reported. It could be there has been a slower progress as well. There is nothing that say there HAS TO BE POSITIVE RESULTS AND THEY JUST AREN'T REPORTED!

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I don't know, Donger, perhaps in the hope that maybe the growth of new cases might slow some? For all you know they are reporting and maybe there haven't been any new cases as of yet today? Maybe by the end of the day the new cases then up reporting are far fewer that yesterday?

Then again, you can just be your douche self.

So you were posting the case numbers in the hope that it might slow down some?

You weren't trying to insinuate that they had slowed down?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by wazu

If you look at the Johns Hopkins University map, it looks like nobody in the U.S. has "recovered". But WorldOfMeters shows totals by state. Where are these people getting data? Doesn't seem to be the same source.

Yeah and even Worldometers is only showing 147 recoveries. I assume there is a minimum amount of time that must pass before they will deem it a recovery. No one has really explained what the process is to deem someone as "recovered". Or I haven't seen it anyway.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by wazu

If you look at the Johns Hopkins University map, it looks like nobody in the U.S. has "recovered". But WorldOfMeters shows totals by state. Where are these people getting data? Doesn't seem to be the same source.

Right. Like are recovery stats based solely on admissions or is there follow up testing happening? Self reporting?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

So you were posting the case numbers in the hope that it might slow down some?

You weren't trying to insinuate that they had slowed down?

I said here are the states with 0 new cases "so far". I don't know why anyone would infer anything other than that.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

You have no idea of why there are no numbers reported.

Of course I do, pete. Logic. Something you seem to not possess in abundance.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I said here are the states with 0 new cases "so far". I don't know why anyone would infer anything other than that.

It doesn't say "0". It's blank.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I said here are the states with 0 new cases "so far". I don't know why anyone would infer anything other than that.

Deal. The new cases reported section is blank. And we agree that this is meaningless information

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

It doesn't say "0". It's blank.

It is blank unless they report. They don't say 0 if there are 0.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Deal. The new cases reported section is blank. And we agree that this is meaningless information

no, because as it has been in the past if the state doesn't report a new case it stays blank. I don't agree that it all that it is meaningless.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

It is blank unless they report. They don't say 0 if there are 0.

Italy has no new deaths or cases. What do you think that means?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Deal. The new cases reported section is blank. And we agree that this is meaningless information

In fact, to show how wrong you are, notice all the blanks in the "new deaths" column.

The site has been consistent from the get go. If it is blank then it is 0. They don't report 0. So once again, not meaningless at all.