***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I think it's more a function of introduction and density. We know it was introduced into that nursing home in Washington (a place with at-risk people in a densely populated environment) and that it ravaged it. We can see what is happening in New York. Many countries in the EU are densely populated and it's spreading at exponential rates.

We also can't assume that a lack of symptoms right now means a lack of cases, given a variable incubation period of days to weeks. There is just too little that we know right now, unfortunately.

The only thing I can compare it to is AIDS. By the time the first cases were identified, 250,000 people already had HIV. Although I think the initial response to AIDS was a national failure, there was also no way that it was going to be stopped. Fortunately, HIV was much harder to transmit. Unfortunately, it's long latency period meant that people were infected for years while transmitting the virus to others because they were largely asymptomatic. We need to try and learn from that.

Asymptomatic carriers will spread SARS-CoV-2. Even if they aren't affected or a high-risk group, they're a risk to everyone they come in contact with, and because they're asymptomatic, we don't know who they are. That's why we need to limit interaction as much as possible.

We just don't know yet. Like i said earlier, there stuff coming out that it may be alot more passable than we thought and that there's alot more asymptomatic cases than we thought.

Thats not good in the short term, but ideally, that would make it more of a short term thing.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by O.city

You don't need to test everyone, but doing random testing of asymptomatic people would give you some good data.

You would have to test a lot of people for this to be useful.

There are people that meet testing criteria than cannot be tested due to shortages

I am hoping these supply chain issues are resolved quickly.

[KChiefs1]

You guys really should search pandemics in history. Fascinating & frightening at the same time.

You’ll wonder how humans are still alive.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Right now NY is accountable for 50% of all cases in the US

They need to shutdown the goddamn subway systems.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

States reporting 0 new cases so far today:



Washington

New Jersey

Illinois

Florida

Georgia

Massachusetts

Colorado

Connecticut

Nevada

South Carolina

Minnesssota

Oregon

Utah

Alabama

Mississippi

Maine

New Hampshire

Rhode Island

Oklahoma

Iowa

Vermont

New Mexico

South Dakota

Please tell me you don't actually think this is meaningful...

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

If you were just focusing on raw numbers and not comparing it to the flu you simply would have posted CoronaVirus' numbers so get out of here w that crap.

Look there's a reason everything is shut down and it isn't because this Virus is simply the flu. That doesn't mean everyone should panic but it's best to isolate at this time so our hospitals are not overun and this virus doesn't continue to spread.

I never said it was the flu. Regardless of what you claim, I never said that. In fact I said the opposite. But rant on me all you want.

And I have been saying that the whole time. In fact, I said last week a lot of this was being done to prevent hospitals from being overrun though it would actually lengthen the life of all this shit. Many mocked me for it and I believe you were one of them.

Now here you are repeating what I said over a week ago.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by SupDock

You would have to test a lot of people for this to be useful.

There are people that meet testing criteria than cannot be tested due to shortages

I am hoping these supply chain issues are resolved quickly.

You could spare what, 30k tests? That would give you an idea, no?

There's alot of companies and places now developing much quicker and more effective testing stuff so i think you could pull it off.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Please tell me you don't actually think this is meaningful...

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

They need to shutdown the goddamn subway systems.

They need to do something because the media is just grabbing numbers to pimp their headlines.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by petegz28

At one point the Chiefs had 0 chance at going to the playoffs.

[KCUnited]

If only subways were a private business.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Pablo

At one point the Chiefs had 0 chance at going to the playoffs.

Yes, we get it, you've repeated yourself often. In fact it's about all you have added. Now kindly go inflate your doll and entertain yourself.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

If only subways were a private business.

They are probably deemed "essential". I would imagine so anyway.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

My, God, man, what the **** ever.

Yes. If you want to believe it more likely that those states have all suddenly stopped seeing growth than that their numbers simply haven't been updated today, knock yourself out.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes. If you want to believe it more likely that those states have all suddenly stopped seeing growth than that their numbers simply haven't been updated today, knock yourself out.

That's not what I said. In fact I said the opposite. Perhaps you should just ?