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Old 07-22-2018, 02:30 PM  
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**Official Chiefs 2018 Training Camp Thread**
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:01 PM   #826
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After seeing this team blow playoff games on a few occasions and lack that killer instinct, I love to hear Veach talk about creating a physical, tough team. That’s just my view though.
Dorsey talked it too. Every coach talks it. Means nothing. They've been trying to be the Steelers/Ravens since Chunt took over.
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:02 PM   #827
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Anyway, my argument here isn't to rip on Veach.

Not at all. The jury is still out on him.

My point is to demonstrate how hyper critical CP became regarding Dorsey after his firing, and how hypocritical we are for lavishing Veach with praise.

Trying to credit Veach for Mahomes is a perfect example of that.

Dorsey drafts Mahomes:

"Yay Dorsey. Best GM in our lifetime. Thanks for our very 1st 1st round QB, "Balla ass GM"

Dorsey gets fired:

Dorsey sucked. Mahomes was all Veach anyway

Veach was hired because of Mahomes deal with it
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:03 PM   #828
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Veach was hired because of Mahomes deal with it


Cool. Making up your own narratives.
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:03 PM   #829
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Dorsey talked it too. Every coach talks it. Means nothing. They've been trying to be the Steelers/Ravens since Chunt took over.
Find me a quote from Dorsey saying that.
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:06 PM   #830
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Find me a quote from Dorsey saying that.
Not going to waste my time digging through 5 years of posts right now.

You think teams seek soft players or something?

"i want to build a team that's mentally weak and melts down in the playoffs"

That shit Veach is talking is pure coach speak. What exactly is it that you expect him to say, when asked what he looks for in his defense?
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:08 PM   #831
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Cool. Making up your own narratives.
Why was he hired then and kept?

tell me the profound explanation to go out of the comfort zone and complacency that has been embedded for over 30 years in the Chiefs franchise.
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Not going to waste my time digging through 5 years of posts right now.

You think teams seek soft players or something?

"i want to build a team that's mentally weak and melts down in the playoffs"

That shit Veach is talking is pure coach speak. What exactly is it that you expect him to say, when asked what he looks for in his defense?
It’s one thing to talk it and another to actually do something about it.

Veach added physicality at both ILB spots within 8 months that Dorsey never did with Ragland and Hitchens.
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Why was he hired then and kept?

tell me the profound explanation to go out of the comfort zone and complacency that has been embedded for over 30 years
Veach is out of the comfort zone?

he was hired from within because he was familiar.

I don't know all the reasons why he was hired, but i'm pretty sure it wasn't just because he liked Mahomes. As did every other scout, coach and GM on the Chiefs at the time.
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It’s one thing to talk it and another to actually do something about it.

Veach added physicality at both ILB spots within 8 months that Dorsey never did with Ragland and Hitchens.
The Chiefs defense was elite or borderline elite for most of Dorsey's tenure and was at one point considered arguably the best defense in football. Please.

All the great defenses slow down at one point ( see the Steelers, Ravens, Seahawks) but the goal is to bring it back to that elite level.
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:16 PM   #835
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The Chiefs defense was elite or borderline elite for most of Dorsey's tenure and was at one point considered arguably the best defense in football. Please.

All the great defenses slow down at one point ( see the Steelers, Ravens, Seahawks) but the goal is to bring it back to that elite level.
How much of that elite talent did he inherit? Almost all of it.
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Veach is out of the comfort zone?

he was hired from within because he was familiar.

I don't know all the reasons why he was hired, but i'm pretty sure it wasn't just because he liked Mahomes. As did every other scout, coach and GM on the Chiefs at the time.


You don't know, groovy
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How much of that elite talent did he inherit? Almost all of it.
And how much did Veach inherit?
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You don't know, groovy
You don't either, super groovy. But you're the one making assertions about why Veach was hired, not me.
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And how much did Veach inherit?
Defensively? Not much, apparently.
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Veach added physicality at both ILB spots within 8 months that Dorsey never did with Ragland and Hitchens.
Dorsey had a pre-broken DJ, so the need wasn't absolutely pressing, and it's not as if he were ignoring the defense.
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