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**Official Chiefs 2018 Training Camp Thread**
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07-31-2018, 02:52 PM | #781 |
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Meanwhile, there's been little to no criticism of Veach's draft, that on paper, looks ugly as sin.
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07-31-2018, 02:52 PM | #782 | |
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I disagree with some things in here. People didn't convince themselves he was junk, the cap was a legit mess and players, top players, were pouting and not showing up to OTAs based directly on Dorsey's actions. Veach's draft is going to be underwhelming without a first round pick but he appears to have nailed one on Tremon Smith anyway. Weren't you just saying people should give KPass time? and you're already burying this draft? |
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07-31-2018, 02:53 PM | #783 |
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07-31-2018, 02:55 PM | #784 | |
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And the cap issue was bound to clear up. What cap saving move has Veach done that Dorsey wouldn't have? We all knew that Hali, DJ and Alex were going to be off the books. That was a given. The cap doesn't stay stagnant. The fact that Tremon Smith is your shinning hope for this draft class should say enough. |
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07-31-2018, 02:57 PM | #785 | |
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Reid did not say that. He said Veach was adamant about him. DORSEY is who engineered the trade. You think he wouldn't have engineered that trade if he wasn't in agreement? He's the ****ing GM, regardless of who supported what pick, he gets credit. He gets blame for the busts, he gets credit for the stars. It happened under his watch. That's how this works. |
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07-31-2018, 02:57 PM | #786 |
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Veach didn’t have a pick this year until 59, so it’s not all that fair to judge right now. Also, I think on paper it looks pretty darn decent given what he had to work with.
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07-31-2018, 02:59 PM | #787 |
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First I don't know why you're immediately strident whenever someone disagrees with you. Second Tremon looks legit and he's a 6th rounder. That's a good pick. Your take on the draft is pure opinion and one I don't disagree with necessarily but I know better than to make snap judgements.
But this cap issue being bound to clear up is just wishful thinking and not based on any kind of reality whatsoever. |
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07-31-2018, 03:00 PM | #788 | |
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Veach brought him to forefront and statements like "one of the best players I've scouted" dude. you are skewing the narrative. |
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07-31-2018, 03:00 PM | #789 | |
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Maybe it turns out that way, it's impossible to know. But purely from a big name, high pedigree stand point, this draft sucked. There's no blue chippers in there that you can say, "Yup, that guy will be good. For sure." |
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07-31-2018, 03:02 PM | #790 | |
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What i notice is that people get all sensitive and shit while they interpret my tone. The pussification of CP continues. And again, before Dorsey was let go, it was common knowledge that those 3 huge cap hits would be gone and would in fact clear up cap space. So i ask, what big cap moves did Veach do to clear space that weren't already a given? |
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07-31-2018, 03:04 PM | #791 | |
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But how convenient that the rules changed for Dorsey, after Dorsey was fired, eh? But i'm skewing the narrative? Mmmkay... |
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07-31-2018, 03:07 PM | #792 |
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Doresy deserves credit for drafts.... But the guy was DOG SHIT when it came to contracts
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07-31-2018, 03:10 PM | #793 | |
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LOL, on PMII yes you are. Veach was hired because of him, Brett will sink or swim on Mahomes' success. |
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07-31-2018, 03:11 PM | #794 |
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07-31-2018, 03:12 PM | #795 | |
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The criticism I put up about his drafts wasn't just a, "Oh, he's fired? Well, I never liked this aspect of his drafts!" kind of thing. It was something discussed on CP going all the way back to the Dee Ford pick: Dorsey tended to shoot for the moon a lot in the first 3-4 rounds when he didn't necessarily have to. He'd draft a lot of high-ceiling and low floor players with really valuable draft stock, and many of those players were guys who would need redshirt rookie seasons because they'd otherwise simply get abused during the regular season. People pointed out that when he made those picks, there were plenty of guys throughout those drafts who had close to the same potential without so many hurdles to cross early in their careers. Yes, you have to do that sometimes. Every GM does it occasionally. Even Scott Pioli did it with the Dontari Poe pick. But you need balance in case those raw, high ceiling guys don't hit at the rate you want them to. You can criticize him for a draft strategy without saying, "I think he sucks at drafting!" Although, damn... I'm still pretty stunned how he handled the Browns' first two picks in 2018. |
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