***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[oaklandhater]

Coronavirus: Italy's hardest-hit city wants you to see how COVID-19 is affecting its hospitals

The sheer numbers of people succumbing to the coronavirus is overwhelming every hospital in northern Italy.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...GK9C4Fi4mYrEhU


every day that goes by with out a national lockdown the worse things are gonna get.

[oaklandhater]

coronavirus is like a blacklight for celebrity clownship https://t.co/PC305eS7iA

— Steadman™ (@AsteadWesley) March 19, 2020

some people are morons

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

We had 5K cases today. Putting aside how much of that is backlogged tests let’s assume it’s accurate for today. By next weekend we’ll be seeing 20,000 cases per day and the weekend after that around 40,000 per day — unless they can slow the transmission by keeping everyone behind closed doors. At 40,000 new cases per day, if the same averages other countries are experiencing are also experienced here, that would be around 4,000 hospitalizations daily and hundreds of deaths (if not thousands). Boom goes the health care system.

Again, this is all just math at this point and it is math that we’ve already experienced. The infections here are not the same as China or S Korea. If social distancing works you’ll slow that doubling down considerably over time but when I was out to pick up mail earlier there were still restaurants open in the valley and people hanging out at a lounge next to it. It just doesn’t seem to sink in with some how dire this can become and how fast it can get here.

Really hope the math is proven wrong and/or that closing everything down works.

I worry about what happens with our ventilator supply. There will be a ton of collateral damage in our health care system if we are not able to slow down this virus.

Many people need ventilator help for reasons unrelated to COVID-19. My dad needed ventilator help for about 48 hours a number of years ago. He made an amazing recovery, but the ventilator was very important for his survival in early hours of being in the hospital. His pulse was very low and he was losing a lot of blood, on his way to death. The ventilator played a critical role in helping him recover.

The situation with my dad is just one of so many examples out there that are happening every day in our health care system. We cannot afford to let COVID-19 become so widespread that it causes a bunch of collateral damage fatalities in the health care system due to a shortage of ventilators.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

A really bad side effect of this is that I now have so much food in the house, and so little to do outside the house, is that I could ****ing sit in this house all day and eat.

That's the quandry, hole up somewhere with 2 weeks of food like a good citizen, and suddenly you get the urge to eat 2 weeks of food over the course of a binge watch of Pretty Little Liars.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by DRM08

I worry about what happens with our ventilator supply. There will be a ton of collateral damage in our health care system if we are not able to slow down this virus.

Many people need ventilator help for reasons unrelated to COVID-19. My dad needed ventilator help for about 48 hours a number of years ago. He made an amazing recovery, but the ventilator was very important for his survival in early hours of being in the hospital. His pulse was very low and he was losing a lot of blood, on his way to death. The ventilator played a critical role in helping him recover.

The situation with my dad is just one of so many examples out there that are happening every day in our health care system. We cannot afford to let COVID-19 become so widespread that it causes a bunch of collateral damage fatalities in the health care system due to a shortage of ventilators.

The hope is you can “flatten the curve” enough that you don’t use up all your supply. The downside that isn’t discussed much is that you are going to see a lot of non-Covid deaths occur because the system is taxed for a longer period of time.

Thanks for sharing your story about your father and glad to hear he pulled through.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

This is just a portion of the explanation of the population forecast. Read it all in the link.

And this was published 2017!!!!!!!!

http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx


http://www.deagel.com/country/United...ica_c0001.aspx


The key element to understand the process that the USA will enter in the upcoming decade is migration. In the past, specially in the 20th century, the key factor that allowed the USA to rise to its colossus status was immigration with the benefits of a demographic expansion supporting the credit expansion and the brain drain from the rest of the world benefiting the States. The collapse of the Western financial system will wipe out the standard of living of its population while ending ponzi schemes such as the stock exchange and the pension funds. The population will be hit so badly by a full array of bubbles and ponzi schemes that the migration engine will start to work in reverse accelerating itself due to ripple effects thus leading to the demise of the States. This unseen situation for the States will develop itself in a cascade pattern with unprecedented and devastating effects for the economy. Jobs offshoring will surely end with many American Corporations relocating overseas thus becoming foreign Corporations!!!! We see a significant part of the American population migrating to Latin America and Asia while migration to Europe - suffering a similar illness - won't be relevant. Nevertheless the death toll will be horrible. Take into account that the Soviet Union's population was poorer than the Americans nowadays or even then. The ex-Soviets suffered during the following struggle in the 1990s with a significant death toll and the loss of national pride. Might we say "Twice the pride, double the fall"? Nope. The American standard of living is one of the highest, far more than double of the Soviets while having added a services economy that will be gone along with the financial system. When pensioners see their retirement disappear in front of their eyes and there are no servicing jobs you can imagine what is going to happen next. At least younger people can migrate. Never in human history were so many elders among the population. In past centuries people were lucky to get to their 30s or 40s. The American downfall is set to be far worse than the Soviet Union's one. A confluence of crisis with a devastating result.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

We had 5K cases today. Putting aside how much of that is backlogged tests let’s assume it’s accurate for today. By next weekend we’ll be seeing 20,000 cases per day and the weekend after that around 40,000 per day — unless they can slow the transmission by keeping everyone behind closed doors. At 40,000 new cases per day, if the same averages other countries are experiencing are also experienced here, that would be around 4,000 hospitalizations daily and hundreds of deaths (if not thousands). Boom goes the health care system.

Again, this is all just math at this point and it is math that we’ve already experienced. The infections here are not the same as China or S Korea. If social distancing works you’ll slow that doubling down considerably over time but when I was out to pick up mail earlier there were still restaurants open in the valley and people hanging out at a lounge next to it. It just doesn’t seem to sink in with some how dire this can become and how fast it can get here.

Really hope the math is proven wrong and/or that closing everything down works.

The math isn't correct or else China would have been 100% infected more than a month ago instead of declining and back to normal for the most part.

Its not an exponential curve. There is a limit to how many people each person comes into contact with inside their social circle. Thats why social distancing is effective.

[KCUnited]

Preschooler in a western Chicago burb has tested positive.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronav...nosed-covid-19

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Do you not read this thread? Every other first-world country is testing many times more than us. Nobody has any idea how many cases we have because we aren't testing.

NYC hospitals are about to be overrun - which would make us the 3rd country to have that happen. Not great Bob.

Yeah uh this is wrong we are testing more per a day now than any other country

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

The math isn't correct or else China would have been 100% infected more than a month ago instead of declining and back to normal for the most part.

Its not an exponential curve. There is a limit to how many people each person comes into contact with inside their social circle. Thats why social distancing is effective.

China was disinfecting public areas more aggressively, had drones in the streets making sure people didn’t leave there home. The we’re using more extreme measures and also a population more willing to comply, who knows maybe that had no difference in the results but I would rather not be in the placebo group.

[Mecca]

China is a bad example because they're people are way more compliant than people here are.

Also wanted to add a railroad worker I know received a letter in the mail from his company that says, his name is an employee for such and such railroad he can not be detained or quarantined for any reason as he is part of a vital supply line.

He think this means national lockdown is coming, this from a guy who thought this was nothing a few days ago.

[Spott]

Originally Posted by Mecca

China is a bad example because they're people are way more compliant than people here are.

Also wanted to add a railroad worker I know received a letter in the mail from his company that says, his name is an employee for such and such railroad he can not be detained or quarantined for any reason as he is part of a vital supply line.

He think this means national lockdown is coming, this from a guy who thought this was nothing a few days ago.

I got the same thing from my employer, but I believe a lot of it was because employees either wanted to stay at home and didn’t like the idea of having to come to work during something like this or they were unsure if they were going to get locked down. They are union like we are, so the company may have had to respond to many of these grievances/concerns by sending a notification to everyone reminding them of their job status.

[Monticore]

I don't understand the media distrust aspect, if the media had come out and said this was nothing to worry about and keep doing what you are doing would people has trusted that or is there only distrust when it doesn't match your viewpoint.

should the media start using reverse psychology or double reverse psychology?

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I don't understand the media distrust aspect, if the media had come out and said this was nothing to worry about and keep doing what you are doing would people has trusted that or is there only distrust when it doesn't match your viewpoint.

should the media start using reverse psychology or double reverse psychology?

I agree.

I think overall media has done a good job w this current crisis. Like it or not there hasn't been much good news to report w this for a while now.

[Strongside]

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

This is just a portion of the explanation of the population forecast. Read it all in the link.

And this was published 2017!!!!!!!!

http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx


http://www.deagel.com/country/United...ica_c0001.aspx


The key element to understand the process that the USA will enter in the upcoming decade is migration. In the past, specially in the 20th century, the key factor that allowed the USA to rise to its colossus status was immigration with the benefits of a demographic expansion supporting the credit expansion and the brain drain from the rest of the world benefiting the States. The collapse of the Western financial system will wipe out the standard of living of its population while ending ponzi schemes such as the stock exchange and the pension funds. The population will be hit so badly by a full array of bubbles and ponzi schemes that the migration engine will start to work in reverse accelerating itself due to ripple effects thus leading to the demise of the States. This unseen situation for the States will develop itself in a cascade pattern with unprecedented and devastating effects for the economy. Jobs offshoring will surely end with many American Corporations relocating overseas thus becoming foreign Corporations!!!! We see a significant part of the American population migrating to Latin America and Asia while migration to Europe - suffering a similar illness - won't be relevant. Nevertheless the death toll will be horrible. Take into account that the Soviet Union's population was poorer than the Americans nowadays or even then. The ex-Soviets suffered during the following struggle in the 1990s with a significant death toll and the loss of national pride. Might we say "Twice the pride, double the fall"? Nope. The American standard of living is one of the highest, far more than double of the Soviets while having added a services economy that will be gone along with the financial system. When pensioners see their retirement disappear in front of their eyes and there are no servicing jobs you can imagine what is going to happen next. At least younger people can migrate. Never in human history were so many elders among the population. In past centuries people were lucky to get to their 30s or 40s. The American downfall is set to be far worse than the Soviet Union's one. A confluence of crisis with a devastating result.

This reads like a high school civics essay.