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Old 07-21-2020, 12:20 PM  
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Chris Simms: Tyreek Hill #1 WR in the NFL
at all the Packers fans crying because Davante Adams didn't make his top 10. Video marked at Tyreek Hill discussion.

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Old 07-21-2020, 08:31 PM   #61
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Lol dawg.. what?

He wasn't even the best deep threat in Houston, let alone the league.
Yea I kind of glossed over that part, but that’s definitely not true.
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Old 07-21-2020, 08:59 PM   #62
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Lol dawg.. what?

He wasn't even the best deep threat in Houston, let alone the league.
That's exactly why I think Hopkins is actually a little bit overrated.

I never truly feared him. I knew he'd get his. He'd get his 10 catches for 110 yards. He'd move the chains a few times and maybe even get a 6. I get the adulation.

But he never inspired genuine fear in me. I was never worried about him breaking behind the coverage and wrecking us. I was never worried about him having one of those Keenan Allen games where we just couldn't stay with him. Or even a guy like Thomas who has the kind of preternatural, freakish chemistry with his QB that Thomas has.

He's steady as the sunrise and dependable as hell. He's good. His cumulative impact makes him a top 5 guy. But I can't put him ahead of a guy like Hill because I never felt he was a genuine gamebreaker.
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Old 07-21-2020, 09:05 PM   #63
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Regarding Adams:

In Hill's first year I made reference to how surprised I was at how well he did 'receiver things' that you don't often look for. That's where Adams is so damn good.

All that little crap; setting your feet to get a DB off balance, using your hands to keep a defender's arms outside of your kitchen and keeping them free for a catch, hitting your cut right at the top of a stride so you can turn at full speed. It's a whole slew of little things that makes for a damn valuable player.

One thing I've learned over the last 20 years or so is that every damn guy on that field is a freak athlete. They're all insane. And while some guys have standout attributes that show themselves (Sutton's size, Hill's speed), for the majority of players its simply how a lot of those little things come together. Adams is one of those guys. Thomas is one of those guys.
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Old 07-21-2020, 09:07 PM   #64
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But DJ, he’s clearly just a “high end 2“!

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Old 07-22-2020, 07:51 AM   #66
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That's exactly why I think Hopkins is actually a little bit overrated.

I never truly feared him. I knew he'd get his. He'd get his 10 catches for 110 yards. He'd move the chains a few times and maybe even get a 6. I get the adulation.

But he never inspired genuine fear in me.
That’s bc his QB’s have been catastrophic most of his career. In January 2017 the Steelers weren’t scared of Tyreek bc they knew Alex Smith could get rattled and his timid nature wouldn’t get the ball downfield.

Hopkins has been stuck in Dwayne Bowes career with worthless QB’s 90% of his career. Remember our first playoff win in decades in Houston? The guy had Brian Hoyer as his QB.

I would go as far as to say that DeShaun Watson is a pitiful postseason QB. His embarrassing performance at home against the Colts and then even more embarrassing performance last January not being able to put any points for almost 3 Q’s after being up 24-0?

Know why that is? Hopkins was hurt and had to leave the game. That entire offense shut down bc of that.

And O’Brien still traded him. Unbelievable
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Old 07-22-2020, 07:58 AM   #67
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I have Hopkins #2 and you’re talking to me like I don’t know how good he is. He’s great, but he’s not the freak of nature that Julio is.

He’s not better than Julio unless he’s lost a step over the offseason.

I’d also argue that Hopkins has had the better QB the last few years.

I don’t have a problem with somebody putting Hopkins #1, but your critique has more to do with your agenda against Julio (like your previous agenda with Andy). You do this every time his name is mentioned.
I mean it’s not my fault Julio is basically a more athletic Dwayne Bowe. They even both blew playoff games on routine balls that should have been caught.

The problem people have here is thinking measurables/speed is the end all be all. He’s not a good route runner and his hands turn to shit far too often. I don’t think Julio is a top 10 route runner. Maybe not even top half of the league. He’s not even the best route runner on his own goddamn team.

And that’s the mistake people made with Tyreek thinking the same thing. Tyreek absolutely deserves to be #1 bc of his awesome hands, ball tracking and drastically improved route running.
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Big dudes like Julio aren't gonna look the same running routes as a guy like Tyreek or AB. He's so big, he's not gonna corner like that. Same thing happened with TO, always does with bigger WR's. Calvin Johnson wasn't gonna have those loosey hips, physics doesn't allow it.

But Julio is still a monster. I don't really understand the hate.
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When you're putting up 100 catch 1500 yard 8 TD seasons regularly, yeah, you're pretty much in some storied territory.

Basically, Tyreek's 2018? Julio does that about every year.
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When you're putting up 100 catch 1500 yard 8 TD seasons regularly, yeah, you're pretty much in some storied territory.

Basically, Tyreek's 2018? Julio does that about every year.
Jesus.

When pro-rated for a 16 game season, Julio's career average season is 101 catches for 1540 yards and 7 scores. Last season was his first season over the previous 6 where he didn't go for at least 1,400 yards (1394 over 15 games)

Wow. Yeah, he can play a little bit. He'll slow down a bit at some point (31 years old now) but it's hard to say he has before he does.
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Jesus.

When pro-rated for a 16 game season, Julio's career average season is 101 catches for 1540 yards and 7 scores. Last season was his first season over the previous 6 where he didn't go for at least 1,400 yards (1394 over 15 games)

Wow. Yeah, he can play a little bit. He'll slow down a bit at some point (31 years old now) but it's hard to say he has before he does.
Clearly just a more athletic Dwayne Bowe!



Good god RunKC. What a shit ****ing take.
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Clearly just a more athletic Dwayne Bowe!



Good god RunKC. What a shit ****ing take.
Yeah.

That one's pretty damn bad.
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I mean it’s not my fault Julio is basically a more athletic Dwayne Bowe. They even both blew playoff games on routine balls that should have been caught.

The problem people have here is thinking measurables/speed is the end all be all. He’s not a good route runner and his hands turn to shit far too often. I don’t think Julio is a top 10 route runner. Maybe not even top half of the league. He’s not even the best route runner on his own goddamn team.

And that’s the mistake people made with Tyreek thinking the same thing. Tyreek absolutely deserves to be #1 bc of his awesome hands, ball tracking and drastically improved route running.
It's time for you to take a break from the computer, bud.
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It's apples and oranges.

Big, long, tall guys don't play the same as smaller, compact guys.

You might prefer the look of one over the other; and might prefer the benefits of one over the other, but the value of one over the other lies in the offensive system.

To try to compare them outside of context is silly.

With Mahomes, in this system, Tyreek is the best possible WR to have. His skillset matches perfectly.

A Julio Jones type WR in a different system, with a different QB might be a better fit.

I think elite speed transfers about anywhere though.
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