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Old 09-07-2023, 09:08 PM  
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****Our Wide Receivers Suck- Official Thread****
They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:09 AM   #6226
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They ARE getting open though. A glance through All 22 shows this. We've literally seen Mahomes ignore wide open WRs to pass to a double covered Kelce.
I haven't watched the All 22 but I do find it odd that missing JJSS and adding Rice could be such a tremendous downgrade. Maybe Ds have are playing closer to the LOS this year because they realize if with Mahomes there's no WR to be scared of.
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:12 AM   #6227
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Yes it does. If mahomes locks on to skyy as a primary or secondary read 4 times and he’s not getting separation or in the wrong spot you can’t blame him for missing him the 5th time. For looking away from him or quickly looking him off. If skyy is making the wrong route adjustments a bunch of times, he’s not going to anticipate him that one time he finds a way to separate free. Every split second of anticipating is a thousand years in nfl time. And Mvs/Watson are boom/bust options. We know this. The majority of the time they don’t get separation. We just rely on them to break free a few times a game. At this point in their career it is who they are. So that leaves the majority of snaps where it’s really hard for mahomes to have any clue who to target.

And this is all by the way contingent on WRs separating. Most QBs don’t even need WRs to separate because in a pinch that can toss up 50/50 balls and ask their WRs to make plays.

The narrative is easy. Right now our WRs are playing like a bottom 5 unit. The whole “blame the qb for not carrying a bottom 5 unit” is shit that should not fly either.
The ****ing quarterback makes 50 million dollars a year. This all ties in here.

Could the group be better at WR? Sure.

But if we're wanting a group that's gonna be separating every play, well that's just gonna come at the cost of the OL or the defense. Which you've advocated you are ok with, again, which is fine.

But that's on the QB. You want the big contract and all the shit? Yeah, you're gonna need to play like you did last year.

Just playing like a "top 10 good QB" isn't good enough when you make what you make.
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:13 AM   #6228
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The OL was worse than the WR's this game. It was bad.

Like it really wasn't close. OL really struggled
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:14 AM   #6229
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Mahomes has bad stretches. Every QB does. For some reason people shriek and stamp their feet here when they get pointed out. There's also been stretches this season where he's played to his usual standard and magically the offense works great again and the WRs aren't a problem somehow.
The first drive, when he's putting his foot in the ground and throwing the ball decisively, weird that guys were open and they mowed right down the field.

"But the script"

Yeah, ok, sure. They scripted the first 15 that were not similar at all to what they ran the rest of the game. Definitely.
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:17 AM   #6230
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The first drive throws to Watson were plays some of the "WRs never get open" guys here would say he wasn't open.

Apparently we expect WR's to get Tyreek Hill type separation here to be "open".
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:17 AM   #6231
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it's really telling when folks just parrot Moore and MVS as the major problems. You're not actually paying attention then. Rice is the one taking the most snaps at WR, MVS is the same player he's always been, and the rope for Moore has never been shorter this season. Eventually you're going to have to find other chickens to **** if you're hellbent on refusing to acknowledge Mahomes and Reid/Nagy are contributing to the issues.
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:19 AM   #6232
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The first drive throws to Watson were plays some of the "WRs never get open" guys here would say he wasn't open.

Apparently we expect WR's to get Tyreek Hill type separation here to be "open".
There wasn't much time for receivers to develop routes. Again OL REALLY struggled
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:19 AM   #6233
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There wasn't much time for receivers to develop routes. Again OL REALLY struggled
Sure, but it wasn't that bad.
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:20 AM   #6234
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it's really telling when folks just parrot Moore and MVS as the major problems. You're not actually paying attention then. Rice is the one taking the most snaps at WR, MVS is the same player he's always been, and the rope for Moore has never been shorter this season. Eventually you're going to have to find other chickens to **** if you're hellbent on refusing to acknowledge Mahomes and Reid/Nagy are contributing to the issues.

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Old 11-07-2023, 09:21 AM   #6235
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Sure, but it wasn't that bad.
Yes. Yes it was that bad. The All-22 is full proof
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:22 AM   #6236
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Yes. Yes it was that bad. The All-22 is full proof
Well, if the one of Mahomes running into pressure yesterday is full proof, I'm gonna have to say you may be off here.
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:25 AM   #6237
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The ****ing quarterback makes 50 million dollars a year. This all ties in here.

Could the group be better at WR? Sure.

But if we're wanting a group that's gonna be separating every play, well that's just gonna come at the cost of the OL or the defense. Which you've advocated you are ok with, again, which is fine.

But that's on the QB. You want the big contract and all the shit? Yeah, you're gonna need to play like you did last year.

Just playing like a "top 10 good QB" isn't good enough when you make what you make.
oh brother. The cap isnt an excuse for fielding a bottom 5 unit and not being at least mid. And most people have said the bar at the very damn least isn’t a Justin Jefferson contract. People aren’t hyping up juju because he’s expensive or talented. It’s because the issue right now is as simple as not having reliable targets whose bare minimum job is to execute the right play and make the easy play when it comes to you. We aren’t even doing that consistently.
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:28 AM   #6238
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The first drive throws to Watson were plays some of the "WRs never get open" guys here would say he wasn't open.

Apparently we expect WR's to get Tyreek Hill type separation here to be "open".
Yuuuuuup.

Did the receivers who were heavily involved in the gameplan over the first drive suddenly forget how to get 'open'?

Or is it that Mahomes was actually triggering on the heavily scripted first 15 plays where he was comfortable throwing the ball to guys into ordinary sized NFL windows?
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:31 AM   #6239
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My point is and has been that it's not just this or that, it's a little bit of several things.

WR's do get open, but perhaps not as consistently as needed. Mahomes is missing some plays that are there to be made. The offensive line is mostly fine, but has screwed up in some spots where a play was otherwise there.

One legged Juju is the only missing ingredient here. I reject the notion that it's a lack of talent.
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Glad Rice snap % is up, can we target him please 6-10 times a game?
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