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Old 04-05-2017, 10:55 AM  
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*** Official 2017 Royals Repository ***

Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0

While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

April OP:

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Old 08-31-2017, 04:13 PM   #6151
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My opinion of what Moore will do is colored by the way he conducts himself and his general approach... I just can't see him walking away and leaving this much work and this many big decisions for his successor. That would seem like a departure, to me, from his normal thought process and approach.

I think he stays at least through 2018 and probably longer.

I would be surprised to see them sign two guys. I think one is more likely (though I think NONE is more likely than anything), and that Moustakas is their best shot.

I actually think he'll age better than Hosmer or Cain, and he could always slide across the diamond if his range doesn't bounce back next year.

How that process goes really affects what they do moving forward, IMO.

It's going to be interesting to follow. I could see Moore being interested in making another push, and suspect he may see a less challenged road to contention in the near future than most of us, basing it on thoughts of Mondesi and Soler reaching their potential starting in 18 and Moustakas being retained.


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Old 08-31-2017, 04:13 PM   #6152
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Kevin Keitzman is all about trading duffy now. Said he's been in need office 10x this year to talk about non Baseball stuff. You'd think Duffy killed a dude. I'm curious what caused Duffy to be at BK like that still not a good look.
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Old 08-31-2017, 04:18 PM   #6153
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Kevin Keitzman is all about trading duffy now. Said he's been in need office 10x this year to talk about non Baseball stuff. You'd think Duffy killed a dude. I'm curious what caused Duffy to be at BK like that still not a good look.

This take is almost as dumb as Kietzman's racist crusade about how you can't win with X number of Latin players in the clubhouse from 2013-14.

Kietzman has done nothing but show his ass on the Duffy thing. From trying to erroneously throw the team under the bus (suggesting Duffy got tanked on the flight home, and the team was irresponsible in letting him drive himself), to suggesting that Duffy had to be on a pill cocktail as well, to now making a big deal out of Duffy visiting his manager X number of times.

He needs to just shut the **** about the Royals if he can't get over the grudge he's been carrying around since they dumped his station as their broadcast home.


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Old 08-31-2017, 04:28 PM   #6154
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This take is almost as dumb as Kietzman's racist crusade about how you can't win with X number of Latin players in the clubhouse from 2013-14.

Kietzman has done nothing but show his ass on the Duffy thing. From trying to erroneously throw the team under the bus (suggesting Duffy got tanked on the flight home, and the team was irresponsible in letting him drive himself), to suggesting that Duffy had to be on a pill cocktail as well, to now making a big deal out of Duffy visiting his manager X number of times.

He needs to just shut the **** about the Royals if he can't get over the grudge he's been carrying around since they dumped his station as their broadcast home.


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I don't think Duffy is going any where. My prediction for next year's starting rotation;
Duffy
Junis
Kerns
Kennedy
Hammel.
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Old 08-31-2017, 04:32 PM   #6155
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I don't think Duffy is going any where. My prediction for next year's starting rotation;

Duffy

Junis

Kerns

Kennedy

Hammel.

If Karns' recovery from TOS goes well, that is right.

The past year or so of results have really made TOS recovery look like much less of a sure thing than I thought.


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Old 08-31-2017, 04:38 PM   #6156
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Every time we talk about the rotation, I just get that twinge about Yordano being gone.
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Old 08-31-2017, 04:53 PM   #6157
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Every time we talk about the rotation, I just get that twinge about Yordano being gone.
I try to be optimistic about the future rotation. There are starting pitchers in the minors that I think could be in the MLB rotation at some point;

Miguel Almonte
Eric Skoglund
Josh Staumont
Kyle Zimmer
Christian Binford
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Old 08-31-2017, 05:32 PM   #6158
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I try to be optimistic about the future rotation. There are starting pitchers in the minors that I think could be in the MLB rotation at some point;

Miguel Almonte
Eric Skoglund
Josh Staumont
Kyle Zimmer
Christian Binford
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Old 08-31-2017, 05:56 PM   #6159
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I try to be optimistic about the future rotation. There are starting pitchers in the minors that I think could be in the MLB rotation at some point;

Miguel Almonte
Eric Skoglund
Josh Staumont
Kyle Zimmer
Christian Binford
There's is nothing very attractive about that rotation. Skoglund is a back-end type rotation guy, if we're lucky. Almonte's stuff is great but his command is not. Staumont could possible be a solid mid-rotation piece. And including Zimmer is too much comedy for me for one night.
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Old 08-31-2017, 06:06 PM   #6160
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I try to be optimistic about the future rotation. There are starting pitchers in the minors that I think could be in the MLB rotation at some point;



Miguel Almonte

Eric Skoglund

Josh Staumont

Kyle Zimmer

Christian Binford

Two of those five have been moved to the bullpen already (Almonte and Zimmer).

Skoglund could be a useable backend piece.

Staumont is the only one with any real frontline potential at this point, and he's doing that thing where he randomly finds his control for a little while. But need to see that over a full year before it's anything to count on.


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Old 08-31-2017, 06:07 PM   #6161
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There's is nothing very attractive about that rotation. Skoglund is a back-end type rotation guy, if we're lucky. Almonte's stuff is great but his command is not. Staumont could possible be a solid mid-rotation piece. And including Zimmer is too much comedy for me for one night.


Zimmer. Heh.
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Old 08-31-2017, 07:22 PM   #6162
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Two of those five have been moved to the bullpen already (Almonte and Zimmer).

Skoglund could be a useable backend piece.

Staumont is the only one with any real frontline potential at this point, and he's doing that thing where he randomly finds his control for a little while. But need to see that over a full year before it's anything to count on.


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Being an optimist, I'm looking for the day when four of the five guys in the starting rotation are home grown. Think of how that would change the way the Royals build the team. They would no longer have to go to free agency for starting pitchers.
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Old 08-31-2017, 07:50 PM   #6163
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He needs to just shut the **** about the Royals if he can't get over the grudge he's been carrying around since they dumped his station as their broadcast home.
I assume the 810 zone issue with Hosmer and Dyson is a part of that.

That dude never drops a grudge, he will make little digs forever. He's a hack, and one of the most unprofessional "journalists" Ive heard.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:20 PM   #6164
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This take is almost as dumb as Kietzman's racist crusade about how you can't win with X number of Latin players in the clubhouse from 2013-14.

Kietzman has done nothing but show his ass on the Duffy thing. From trying to erroneously throw the team under the bus (suggesting Duffy got tanked on the flight home, and the team was irresponsible in letting him drive himself), to suggesting that Duffy had to be on a pill cocktail as well, to now making a big deal out of Duffy visiting his manager X number of times.

He needs to just shut the **** about the Royals if he can't get over the grudge he's been carrying around since they dumped his station as their broadcast home.


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I feel like he is also still pissed off about no downtown baseball yet. He must own some land there.
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This take is almost as dumb as Kietzman's racist crusade about how you can't win with X number of Latin players in the clubhouse from 2013-14.

Kietzman has done nothing but show his ass on the Duffy thing. From trying to erroneously throw the team under the bus (suggesting Duffy got tanked on the flight home, and the team was irresponsible in letting him drive himself), to suggesting that Duffy had to be on a pill cocktail as well, to now making a big deal out of Duffy visiting his manager X number of times.

He needs to just shut the **** about the Royals if he can't get over the grudge he's been carrying around since they dumped his station as their broadcast home.


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I never ever ever listen to Kietzman. Haven't for years. I don't know why anyone listens to him.
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