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#601 |
Needs more middle fingers
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego
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JakeF and anyone who's buying JakeF's shit, go back and re-watch Mahomes.
Seriously. **** your memory. Go back and actually watch him. Pull up all-time greatest throws highlight videos. Go ahead. Do it. And then you'll see that most of his best throws came from within the pocket. |
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#602 |
Needs more middle fingers
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego
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Here's one. Go ahead. Count 'em. I haven't even watched this video but im willing to bet most of the throws are from the pocket.
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#603 | |
MVP
Join Date: May 2017
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Can't you just talk without freaking out? Just forget it, there's no point. |
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#604 | |
Needs more middle fingers
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego
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Anyway, i gave you a homework assignment. Watch the video i posted. Hell, go find your own video if you want. Scribble down how many big plays he made rolling out and then scribble down how many he made from the pocket. Your own eyes will debunk your theory. |
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#605 |
Chiefs
Join Date: Feb 2009
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He’s not wrong |
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#606 | |
Please squeeze
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Clinton, MO
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Also pay attention in the red zone alot of our TD passes were designed rollouts. |
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#607 |
In Search of a Life
Join Date: Jan 2016
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He needs to stay in the pocket because coordinators figured out not to blitz him and to rush their edges 10-12 yards upfield and contain Mahomes. He is getting better at not floating back, now he needs to go through his progressions and make them pay for playing 2 high safeties 15 -18 yards off the ball...
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#608 | |
Needs more middle fingers
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego
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A lot of his early stuff was, and some of most memorable plays where, but the bulk of his work is done w/o rolling around. |
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#609 |
Needs more middle fingers
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego
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That dime to Sherman against the Chargers to start his career? Pocket.
The infamous WASP play in the SB.....pocket. The game winner to Watkins in the AFCC? Pocket. He's made amazing plays out of the pocket, obviously. But to say that that's WHAT he is, or that Schwartz and Fisher were these great tackles that "matched" Mahomes better or any shit like that just isn't accurate. At all. It's just your fond memories. |
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#610 | |
Please squeeze
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Clinton, MO
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We ran lot of designed roll outs near the end zone. Yourself and IowaHawkeyeChief are right though teams are taking this away I believe. |
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#611 | |
Needs more middle fingers
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego
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9 -passes from inside the tackle box. 11 passes if you count the shuffle passes. 3 - passes while rolling out. And we're just talking red zone TD's in your video. Let alone his best throws. Mahomes is a pocket passer. Always has been. His most memorable plays may be from rolling out, but his production has all mostly come from planting and throwing behind his OL. Your video demonstrates that. |
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#612 | ||
Rookie
Join Date: Mar 2021
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Dropping back 15 yards behind the LOS isn't "in the pocket". It's more like behind the pocket. Quote:
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#613 | |
Please squeeze
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Clinton, MO
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hmmm... I am through 3 minutes of the video at the end of the Pats game and I have: Out of Pocket: 6 In Pocket: 7 Designed Roll outs\Runs: 5 |
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#614 |
Needs more middle fingers
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego
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Ok, so i finished the video. Here's what i counted: TD passes inside the tackle box (traditional drop back pass): 23 Shuffle Passes that went for a TD: 5 TD passes while rolling out: 10 Interestingly, of those 10 roll out pass TD's, i believe all but 1 or 2 were within 15 yards of the end zone. That seemed to be more of a redzone scheme thing than Mahomes actually NEEDING to roll out. Nearly every pass outside of the redzone came from a traditional drop back pass. There, i did your homework for you, JakeF. It's your turn to show your work now. |
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#615 | ||
Needs more middle fingers
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego
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As far as Mahomes is concerned, drifting back is still in the pocket. He's not rolling out. He's looking downfield, sticking inside the tackle box, not rolling out and striking downfield. JakeF is arguing that Mahomes has to roll out. He's not rolling out in your video here. |
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