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Old 08-22-2017, 09:20 PM   #2
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And then he used that collection of assets he amassed to bail the Cavs out from a shit situation where they had absolutely no leverage while not improving his team in the short or long term at all.

LeBron will continue to beat the Celtics every year he stays in the East (which could be a lot longer now that the Celtics made this deal). There is no real upside here.
By your logic, there is no upside to any deal the Celtics do then.

Look, maybe that Nets pick turns into the next Michael Jordan, but there is a ton of uncertainty around it. Where will the pick end up? Who will be available when the pick is made? Will that guy actually turn into a star?

Sure, it's a potentially very valuable piece, but you can't bank on it. Armchair GMs always, ALWAYS overvalue draft picks. The bust rate is high in all sports.

And beyond the pick, it's a better player who is 25 whose rights are controlled for two years versus a wing the Cs didn't need, a center with some promise, and a 29 year old under control for one year who just had a career year.
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Old 08-22-2017, 09:30 PM   #3
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By your logic, there is no upside to any deal the Celtics do then.
Except they could have beaten LeBron this year had they made the Butler trade and still kept the Nets pick for the long-term (or traded it later as part of a package for an actual superstar, not a flawed, one dimensional overrated one). This doesn't improve them in 2017-2018 or the future and makes the Cavs (their main competition in the conference) better in both regards.
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Old 08-22-2017, 09:39 PM   #4
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Except they could have beaten LeBron this year had they made the Butler trade and still kept the Nets pick for the long-term (or traded it later as part of a package for an actual superstar, not a flawed, one dimensional overrated one). This doesn't improve them in 2017-2018 or the future and makes the Cavs (their main competition in the conference) better in both regards.
Which actual superstar would that be? If Anthony Davis was on the block, sure! But that doesn't seem to be happening.

Bottom line -- I trust Danny. I think he's MORE than earned that.
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Old 08-22-2017, 09:39 PM   #5
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Except they could have beaten LeBron this year had they made the Butler trade and still kept the Nets pick for the long-term (or traded it later as part of a package for an actual superstar, not a flawed, one dimensional overrated one). This doesn't improve them in 2017-2018 or the future and makes the Cavs (their main competition in the conference) better in both regards.
I don't think trading for Butler or George would have gotten them past Lebron this year especially since they don't know the health of IT.
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Old 08-22-2017, 10:04 PM   #6
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If Jimmy Butler was a top 10 player, the Bulls wouldn't have been a 8th seed in the East.
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Old 08-22-2017, 10:06 PM   #7
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If Jimmy Butler was a top 10 player, the Bulls wouldn't have been a 8th seed in the East.
When your entire team besides you is terrible, sure it does.
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Old 08-22-2017, 10:15 PM   #8
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Klay Thompson over Butler? Draymond over Butler?

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I watched KI carry the Cavs in quite a few games during the 16 championship series. I think he is been short changed a bit here.
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Old 08-23-2017, 08:21 AM   #10
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Kyrie has yet to show he can lead a team. Cleveland is still a heavy favorite in the East unless something major happens. Kyrie has an inflated value because of big Finals moments. You have to get there to have those moments. It will be interesting to see if BS can change the way he plays.


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Old 08-23-2017, 09:37 AM   #11
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Kyrie/Hayward/Horford is still not enough to beat the Cavs

its basically a downgraded form of Kyrie/Lebron/Love.

Still dont have a chance until Lebron goes West
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Old 08-23-2017, 05:08 PM   #12
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by then Horford will be two years older and on the decline. The Celtics will still have no other center or power forward worth a shit. Marcus Smart will be gone. Kyrie will still be playing no defense. And you'll be able to see who hits or busts between Brown and Tatum. It's all relative.
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Old 08-23-2017, 07:06 PM   #13
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actually like the Wizards chances now that the Celtics don't have Crowder, Bradley and Olynyk scrapping around.
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actually like the Wizards chances now that the Celtics don't have Crowder, Bradley and Olynyk scrapping around.
I feel better about the Raptors chances too. Celtics only won as many games as they did last year because IT had a ridiculous season (Celtics fans who were chanting 'MVP' at him all season have suddenly gone quiet) and the rest of them tried so hard on defense regularly.
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I feel better about the Raptors chances too. Celtics only won as many games as they did last year because IT had a ridiculous season (Celtics fans who were chanting 'MVP' at him all season have suddenly gone quiet) and the rest of them tried so hard on defense regularly.
Yes they literally traded all their hustle guys except for Smart and now have to give a really young player significant rotational minutes in Brown or Tatum

plus Marcus Morris is now their 4 and he's terrible so
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