***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[FAX]

Originally Posted by SupDock

I have been looking for these articles. To clarify, are you talking about
community spread prior to January 20th in the USA?

I'm referencing televised interviews, Mr. SupDock. I've found related articles of course (as you have, I'm sure), but the post to which you refer was about those interviews.

Like a bad researcher, I didn't bookmark those. I did spend some time yesterday trying to locate a few, got distracted, and then totally forgot to follow up with you. Apologies.

I'll dig into it again.

Anyway, these were interviews with researchers and virologists from Germany, EU, UK, etc. and some of them were translated as necessary. I spent several hours in total going through that material during my initial research phase.

I promise to post some links tomorrow. Sorry, man. You asked and I failed.

FAX THE REGRETFUL

[Stanley Nickels]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

Everyone has done a great job policing themselves for the most part.

We seem to be hyper-conscious right now about being respectful of others. I really like this version of "us". After this blows over we can call each other dumb****s and pillowbiters over draft picks from years ago... For now, we'll stick with the kumbaya

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels

Read the article, Mr. FAX. The suggestion is that 86% of all COVID cases were likely undiagnosed. So for every 1 diagnosis they estimated that there were 6 undocumented cases. This is on the order of tens of thousands. The article does not suggest that 86% of Wuhan had the disease.

Absolutely this. Reading more of the article

Using the best-fitting model (Table 1*and*Fig. 1), we estimated 13,118 (95% CI: 2,974–23,435) total new COVID-19 infections (documented and undocumented combined) during 10–23 January in Wuhan city. Further, 86.2% (95% CI: 81.5%–89.8%) of all infections were infected from undocumented cases. Nationwide, the total number of infections during 10–23 January was 16,829 (95% CI: 3,797–30,271) with 86.2% (95% CI: 81.6%–89.8%) infected by undocumented cases.

That is a wide confidence interval on case estimations.

[crayzkirk]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I've tried. I used to do more cooking when I was poor college student and I hated it. I hated the dishes. I hated the time it took to prepare things. The time I had to go to the store. Some things you can't store for more than a week or it goes bad. Once I started eating out every meal, it liberated my mind & psyche. I highly recommend never cooking, never ever.

Dude, the weber is your friend. Little cleanup and everything is easy. Get some fruits and veggies for a side and you are set. Whenever I go out for food, I'm always thinking about how I could have done it better...

Chicken, beef, pork... It's all easy. Salt, pepper and whatever else you like.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Thank you! I am not saying it can't happen but we have been hearing "just wait a week or two" for two weeks.

Of course it is going to get worse by the numbers but it's almost like people are wanting us to be Italy so they can say they were right or something.

#Won't sniff the facts

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels

We seem to be hyper-conscious right now about being respectful of others. I really like this version of "us". After this blows over we can call each other dumb****s and pillowbitergots over draft picks from years ago... For now, we'll stick with the kumbaya

Go **** yourself, Nickels.

[lewdog]

I hope none of you know someone fighting cancer right now, with many people continuing to not take social distancing seriously.

Those of you not practicing it can get ****ed.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by lewdog

I hope none of you know someone fighting cancer right now, with many people continuing to not take social distancing seriously.

Those of you not practicing it can get ****ed.

Trying man. Really sucks my employer continues to have us come in. I haven't been to the gym since laat Thursday but eating better. Pretty pathetic my gym is still open too.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels

Read the article, Mr. FAX. The suggestion is that 86% of all COVID cases were likely undiagnosed. So for every 1 diagnosis they estimated that there were 6 undocumented cases. This is on the order of tens of thousands. The article does not suggest that 86% of Wuhan had the disease.

Thanks. I did mention that those were "my words and interpretation", did I not?

But you're right ... if the 80,000 cases in China represent 14% of the total "potentially undocumented", that's easy math and should be a reasonable number for the time being.

But while we're here, let's think this through a moment ...

For every 1 diagnosis they estimate 6 undocumented, right?

How did the "estimated" undocumented get the disease? From the documented? From another population of unknown and therefore "undocumented"? From each other?

FAX

[Stanley Nickels]

Originally Posted by eDave

Go **** yourself, Nickels.

**** you too, bud!

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by lewdog

I hope none of you know someone fighting cancer right now, with many people continuing to not take social distancing seriously.

Those of you not practicing it can get ****ed.

Well so much for the kumbaya

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by FAX

I'm referencing televised interviews, Mr. SupDock. I've found related articles of course (as you have, I'm sure), but the post to which you refer was about those interviews.

Like a bad researcher, I didn't bookmark those. I did spend some time yesterday trying to locate a few, got distracted, and then totally forgot to follow up with you. Apologies.

I'll dig into it again.

Anyway, these were interviews with researchers and virologists from Germany, EU, UK, etc. and some of them were translated as necessary. I spent several hours in total going through that material during my initial research phase.

I promise to post some links tomorrow. Sorry, man. You asked and I failed.

FAX THE REGRETFUL

The only article I saw was talking about community spread after Jan 20th in Washington

6 weeks elapsed between two cases, but the viral analysis seemed to indicate they were so closely related that case 1 caused case 2, indicating it spread through the community.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...pread.amp.html

[eDave]

Originally Posted by TLO

One last piece of information, then time for rest. Again - sorry I can't embed on my phone.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Covid19No...09907879006209

I got you. Good night, sweet prince

NEW: Three of Dallas County’s new confirmed #Covid19 cases are currently hospitalized in critical condition. And two of those are young: one in their 20’s, another in their 30’s. The third critical patient is in their 60’s. No underlying health conditions. #WFAA #Coronavirus

— Teresa Woodard (@twoodard8) March 17, 2020

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Trying man. Really sucks my employer continues to have us come in. I haven't been to the gym since laat Thursday but eating better. Pretty pathetic my gym is still open too.

Being in healthcare we are all essential employees and required to go to work.

The medical center next door to us is setting up what will be a testing station for Coronavirus in the parking lot. Idea is people will use an order from a PCP to get tested if they match the symptoms. Cars will circle stations for testing, allowing these individuals to be contained in their cars and not have to enter medical facilities to limit the spreading of the virus. Just need more test kits for this all to happen.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by O.city

He’s talking about the medications and I think you’re taking about the immunization

Ah, you're probably right. I was only thinking in terms of the immunization.