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Old 10-15-2019, 09:06 AM  
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Orlovsky implores NFL owners to fix officiating 'epidemic'


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He's right, you know...
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Old 10-15-2019, 12:04 PM   #46
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Except that this would probably be used similarly to how the challenges on PI are being handled this year. They won't overturn shit!
Like I said, it would only apply to black and white flags. There's no gray area on if Trey Flowers' hand was in Bahktiaris face or not. That's an easy fix
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Old 10-15-2019, 12:30 PM   #47
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Automatic first downs on DH, illegal contact are the real killer. You can't simply assess a 5 yard penalty on a 3rd & long and make it an automatic first down without impacting the balance of the game. DPI is another story. They need to be able to review every DPI (just like a turnover).
Didn't the game do just fine without all these tilted rules? Newsflash - Peyton Manning has retired, why have those around?
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Old 10-15-2019, 12:58 PM   #48
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The problem with that though is a lot of those guys don't want to be full time.
If the money is there they would be perfectly fine to be a referee as a profession
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Old 10-15-2019, 01:26 PM   #49
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A few ideas:
-Work to eliminate subjectivity from as many rules as possible.
-Booth refs watching the game that can communicate with the on field refs. I saw 3 uncalled OBVIOUS false starts result in touchdowns last year (LAC vs Cleveland, LAC vs Pittsburgh, LAR vs Chiefs). No reason that should happen in the NFL.
-Full time refs with performance based pay. Refs continually reviewed and penalized for poor performance.
-Personal Foul penalties should not offset with procedural penalties (or really any 5 yard penalty)
-Analytical analysis every week from the League to evaluate when flags are being thrown (blowouts, late in games vs early, home or away teams, etc). This should all even out over the course of enough games. If refs are being inconsistent on when they are throwing flags, they should be held accountable. Consistency should be the goal.

The day the league loses its legitimacy among a majority of fans is coming. Not saying the league isn’t legitimate, but the perception of the league is changing rapidly.

We’re getting closer to refs taking WWE style bumps and anything going while the ref is knocked out. Can’t wait to see Chris Jones hit Philip Rivers with a steel chair someday!
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Old 10-15-2019, 01:45 PM   #50
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We’re getting closer to refs taking WWE style bumps and anything going while the ref is knocked out. Can’t wait to see Chris Jones hit Philip Rivers with a steel chair someday!
Now THAT would be entertainment.. I remember there was a football video game for Sega Genesis called "Mutant League Football". On defense, one of the plays you could call was simply "Kill the Ref", where the entire D would swarm and rip apart the referee. It resulted in a mere 15 yard penalty.
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Old 10-15-2019, 01:45 PM   #51
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They are missing an opportunity to make officiating grades into another meta. Officials should have their game day grades posted each week, along with a seasonal grade. They could spend entire segments on it each week between games.
Hell yeah! Then we could have Fantasy Ref leagues.
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Old 10-15-2019, 01:52 PM   #52
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He's right, you know...
Roger sez.....



But at least the dude's trying.
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Old 10-15-2019, 02:03 PM   #53
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I don't know what the fix is, but the fact remains that we're seeing far too many games being negatively impacted by flawed officiating. It's to the point that millions of fans are noticing and talking about it.

And it's more than just bad calls. Bad calls have always been a part of the game. In all professional sports, for that matter. Now we're not only getting bad calls, but also violations of the rules by officials. That shouldn't happen. That has to stop immediately.
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Old 10-15-2019, 02:14 PM   #54
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Part of the reason they use lawyers and people from other professional occupations is theoretically they should be less likely to be paid off and bribed and are financially stable. Not sure I buy into that theory, but you don't want some shitbag who is hurting for money out there calling penalties either.

A guy making a living reffing games sign me up. I know i'd be bias so i couldn't ref AFC west games but if it was a job i'd treat it as such and I don't think a very well paid ref is going take bribes but you really want to trust a lawyer ?

I think a blue color guy is going call strait up more so than a lawyer.
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Old 10-15-2019, 02:18 PM   #55
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Automatic first downs on DH, illegal contact are the real killer. You can't simply assess a 5 yard penalty on a 3rd & long and make it an automatic first down without impacting the balance of the game. DPI is another story. They need to be able to review every DPI (just like a turnover).
Didn't the game do just fine without all these tilted rules? Newsflash - Peyton Manning has retired, why have those around?
The automatic first downs are the crucial component that allows fixing games to be so easy.

The chosen team is struggling? Just call a ticky tack defensive holding penalty and BOOM. Automatic first down. Chosen team back on track.
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I don't know what the fix is, but the fact remains that we're seeing far too many games being negatively impacted by flawed officiating. It's to the point that millions of fans are noticing and talking about it.



And it's more than just bad calls. Bad calls have always been a part of the game. In all professional sports, for that matter. Now we're not only getting bad calls, but also violations of the rules by officials. That shouldn't happen. That has to stop immediately.
Some of us saw it before others. But who's keeping score?
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Old 10-15-2019, 03:32 PM   #57
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The automatic first downs are the crucial component that allows fixing games to be so easy.



The chosen team is struggling? Just call a ticky tack defensive holding penalty and BOOM. Automatic first down. Chosen team back on track.
100% truth right there. And if a DPI has the potential of being a 99 yard penalty because it's a spot foul, then OPI should be some equally dramatic. Perhaps 25 yards (or the 1 yard line if they inside the 24), or an automatic 4th down. And, while we're making things fair, a pushoff is OPI and a hold by the D in the secondary is the standard for holding, including when the O-line is holding the D.

I don't care if it results in low scoring games, make this shit fair.

Oh, I forgot, if QBs can do hard counts, that's fine, but the D should be allowed to play the same game and simulate the snaps. After all, the offence is supposed to know the snap count.
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Old 10-15-2019, 03:56 PM   #58
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The automatic first downs are the crucial component that allows fixing games to be so easy.

The chosen team is struggling? Just call a ticky tack defensive holding penalty and BOOM. Automatic first down. Chosen team back on track.
Yeah, that's the problem. Defensive holding is really subjective and easy to call unless it's against Kelce, and it often awards the offensive team (usually the Patriots, but sometimes the Packers) with a free drive. A free drive is worth a lot.

Take away the automatic first down and it would help a fair bit.
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the fact that the NFL over the last, what, 2 seasons...cut to 'rules experts' during the game tells you all you need to know about how messed up all of this is.

when networks need to employ 'rules experts' to explain to viewers why what they just witnessed is wrong.... you know your rule book is too large, complicated, and confusing.

add in the fact the 'rules experts' are probably receiving some compensation from the NFL to tow the line / protect the dumbass calls on the field.
I would rather be a rules expert in a booth than a ref on the field. When I can second guess anyone.

The whole thing is a crock.
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