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Old 09-27-2018, 07:49 AM  
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Stephen St. John: Issues between Mahomes and Peters
On 810 this morning SSJ was talking about the Rams and Peters, when he dropped a bombshell that was new to me. Talked about how in addition to all of his other issues, Peters had a problem with Mahomes. He didn’t cite first hand info, but just said that was the vibe that Chadiha and others covering the team had conveyed. It matches up with the trash talk from Peters after he left, praising Alex and predicting turnovers when we play them in Mexico.

Maybe I missed the hubbub about this, but it seemed to be new information to SSJ’s co-hosts so maybe I didn’t. If true it erases any lingering doubt that Peters had to go immediately.
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Old 09-27-2018, 08:34 AM   #46
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In Wilson's case it's moreso because he was being coddled by Carroll and he was getting all the hype and attention despite the fact he was just a game manager at best their 2 Superbowl runs while their defense was great.
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Carroll was supposedly telling players to take it easy on Wilson and not hold him accountable for poor play, when the locker room culture was that it was ruthlessly competitive and everyone was called onto the carpet publicly for accountability.

When you have a team that has a culture that expects excellence and nobody is immune to criticism, everyone is equal and that poor play will have consequences - and then you have a coach telling people the QB is exempt because he's too emotionally fragile or whatever - that's a problem. The whole system breaks down if not everyone is held to the same standard.
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Old 09-27-2018, 08:34 AM   #47
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The light skinned dark skinned thing does matter, Terrell Owens got made fun of by other black kids growing up because he was darker than them...there are people that know him that truly believe that is the way he is. That he has never gotten over all the things that happened to him when he was a kid.
Of course it exists. But throwing that out there now is like if a black and white player got into it for some reason and for some reason I just assumed one of them was being racist without any facts.
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Old 09-27-2018, 08:36 AM   #48
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Yup. This is the narrative the defense constantly put into the media to undermine their QB.
In reality, Pete Carroll didn't handle it very well, you can't make your defensive stars feel like they are being pushed aside for this guy. He probably should have been harder on Wilson in game evals and practice when he deserved it because honestly that is the culture he built there.
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Old 09-27-2018, 08:36 AM   #49
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I'm sure he's more comfortable playing in Goff's shadow.
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Old 09-27-2018, 08:37 AM   #50
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I called this early on and some dumbass here blew it off. Don't remember which dumbass....
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Old 09-27-2018, 08:37 AM   #51
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If this was an actual thing, the chiefs would have leaked it themselves following the trade if only to save face. It wouldn't just now be coming out from a 3rd hand report.
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No idea where you get this idea. Teams don't usually say a damn thing about ex players.
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Old 09-27-2018, 08:37 AM   #52
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Carroll was supposedly telling players to take it easy on Wilson and not hold him accountable for poor play, when the locker room culture was that it was ruthlessly competitive and everyone was called onto the carpet publicly for accountability.

When you have a team that has a culture that expects excellence and nobody is immune to criticism, everyone is equal and that poor play will have consequences - and then you have a coach telling people the QB is exempt because he's too emotionally fragile or whatever - that's a problem. The whole system breaks down if not everyone is held to the same standard.
Bingo, a culture was created there and then Wilson was spared from it so they got pissed.

It's understandable.
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Old 09-27-2018, 08:38 AM   #53
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Like you see Peters on the sideline celebrating his ass off during the preseason game against the Titans when Mahomes threw that insane pass to Robinson
Did Peters not realize that Mahomes was a light skinned rich kid at that point?
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No idea where you get this idea. Teams don't usually say a damn thing about ex players.
Teams leak shit to make themselves look better in public all the time.
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Old 09-27-2018, 08:40 AM   #55
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It certainly goes both ways in the world and everyday life, but in pro sports it's a one way thing because light skinned black guys who come from wealth are a tiny minority of pro athletes.

This is something I first noticed going all the way back to Larry Johnson.
its just working stiffs in my neighborhood. Some have a lot of money but they made it. All have good jobs. It’s a weird thing. They don’t say these things to each other. They are made when the other is not around but not about them but some sports figure or politician.

It happens enough that we, us white guys, know not to comment. Since it comes up in my little part of the world, I could see alpha males in a locker room getting into this topic.
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Old 09-27-2018, 08:41 AM   #56
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Of course it exists. But throwing that out there now is like if a black and white player got into it for some reason and for some reason I just assumed one of them was being racist without any facts.
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Oh you're right. It's ENTIRELY speculation on my part.

So is "He was mad because Mahomes was going to be a bigger star than him!"

Irresponsible speculation? Maybe. I've seen it so many times it seems reasonable to me.
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Like you see Peters on the sideline celebrating his ass off during the preseason game against the Titans when Mahomes threw that insane pass to Robinson
Did Peters not realize that Mahomes was a light skinned rich kid at that point?
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First, Alex was the starter. He had no idea Mahomes would start

Secondly, if you actually look at their reactions, you'll notice the players were actually cheering for the receiver, Demarcus Robinson. Robinson made a spectacular catch, and since his future with the team was in doubt, the players were happy to see him earn the job because they all saw his potential

I always wondered why fans thought they were cheering Mahomes, while looking and smiling at Robinson...
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Like you see Peters on the sideline celebrating his ass off during the preseason game against the Titans when Mahomes threw that insane pass to Robinson
Did Peters not realize that Mahomes was a light skinned rich kid at that point?
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...he was celebrating that incredible catch with Robinson.
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Bingo, a culture was created there and then Wilson was spared from it so they got pissed.

It's understandable.
Again, this is the narrative the defense put out to the media to undermine the QB, which begs questions itself.

There was no pushback against it, because that's not how Wilson does things. He's a goody-two shoes nerd.
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Didn’t Russell Wilson have similar issues due to his light skin?
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