Some chatter today about Mahomes drifting too far from the pocket

[DRM08]

Plenty of room for improvement. Hopefully Mahomes and everyone else can perform a lot better in the coming weeks.

[Mahomes_Is_God]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Plenty of room for improvement. Hopefully Mahomes and everyone else can perform a lot better in the coming weeks.

Room for improvement? Mahomes has already ascended beyond human constraints. If he does something that appears to be an "unintentional mistake", it was actually by design. He planned for it to happen. Us mortals cannot possibly understand his ways. If we ever lose it's because Mahomes wanted it to happen. It's all part of his grand plan.

[ChiefsFanatic]

I think the point Schwartz was trying to make is that if Mahomes stops drifting so far back in the pocket, it will actually improve the play of the offensive line, most notably the tackles.

When outside pass rushers have more of a straight line path to the QB, which Mahomes drifting back too far gives them, they are able to get a higher percentage of pressures and hits on the QB. The closer QB stays to the LOS, the more difficult the angle of attack is for outside pass rushers.

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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

I think the point Schwartz was trying to make is that if Mahomes stops drifting so far back in the pocket, it will actually improve the play of the offensive line, most notably the tackles.

When outside pass rushers have more of a straight line path to the QB, which Mahomes drifting back too far gives them, they are able to get a higher percentage of pressures and hits on the QB. The closer QB stays to the LOS, the more difficult the angle of attack is for outside pass rushers.

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Mahomes is really really really good. I don't know why people can't accept that maybe he can work on a thing or two. For all the things he does incredibly well he needs to read his pocket better. And that is not always by design. Seems especially relevant since SF and LAC really flustered our offense with good pressure from DEs.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Mahomes is really really really good. I don't know why people can't accept that maybe he can work on a thing or two. For all the things he does incredibly well he needs to read his pocket better. And that is not always by design. Seems especially relevant since SF and LAC really flustered our offense with good pressure from DEs.

I wasn't saying that Mahomes didn't need to, or couldn't work on his footwork. Some people seemed to think that Geoff Schwartz was criticizing Mahomes over a minor detail, a detail that helped us win the Super Bowl.

I was stating that I thought Schwartz was talking more about how Mahomes could help the offensive line by staying at a more shallow depth in the pocket.

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[Aspengc8]

Its preseason week 2. Everything will work out.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

I wasn't saying that Mahomes didn't need to, or couldn't work on his footwork. Some people seemed to think that Geoff Schwartz was criticizing Mahomes over a minor detail, a detail that helped us win the Super Bowl.

I was stating that I thought Schwartz was talking more about how Mahomes could help the offensive line by staying at a more shallow depth in the pocket.

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Yeah, I was mostly agreeing with you. The drifting isn't necessarily a problem. But if he's going to drift he has to see the pocket in front of him better. Especially while drifting he has to see opportunities to slide into the pocket when needed.

Id also say that while it won us a super bowl and at LAC, those two games also exposed a problem. Teams with strong outside rushes will give us a problem. We saw mahomes start to do that later in the game but it was almost too little too late. Drifting may work in a lot of games but we may want to avoid vs defenses like SF and LAC.

[wheeler08]

Rivers doesn’t have time to throw and he has one
Of the best OL in the league??

[TinyEvel]

2 Pat, 2 Furious, Kansas City Drift. Rated

[Hayneplane]

Don’t ask the genius to change. Put it on the O Line coaches to study film and prepare their group to block in a manner that fits with the tendencies of Mahomes.

[InChiefsHeaven]

It seems to me that his tenancy to drift farther back in the pocket than most QB's enables him to make plays that most QB's can't make and wouldn't attempt. There is a side effect in that it makes it harder for his tackles to stop a hard rusher because the further back he goes, the straighter the line that the rusher has to travel, and it's harder to stop them. Get back to me when he's sacked 5 and 6 times in a game.

Yes, his style makes it harder on the tackles. But the benefits FAR outweigh the liabilites, at least so far. He's aware of this "deficiency" and so are the tackles. This is called "finding something...ANYTHING...to criticize about Mahomes".

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[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven

It seems to me that his tenancy to drift farther back in the pocket than most QB's enables him to make plays that most QB's can't make and wouldn't attempt. There is a side effect in that it makes it harder for his tackles to stop a hard rusher because the further back he goes, the straighter the line that the rusher has to travel, and it's harder to stop them. Get back to me when he's sacked 5 and 6 times in a game.

Yes, his style makes it harder on the tackles. But the benefits FAR outweigh the liabilites, at least so far. He's aware of this "deficiency" and so are the tackles. This is called "finding something...ANYTHING...to criticize about Mahomes".

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On occasion the benefits outweigh the liabilities. When he struggled last year it was when he did what he did in the 1st half last week, and that’s drifting further back in the pocket. This is an understandable side effect of shotty interior line blocking that was horrendous last year. It’s ok to do on occasion, but if you suddenly see the Chiefs O return to top form it will be when Mahomes stays in the pocket and delivers the ball, and or starts to use the A and B gaps to step up and scramble forward in Defenses that don’t use a QB Spy (all of them bc of our weapons). If they start blitzing those gaps he will pick apart the secondary. When you drop back like he does at times it makes it impossible for Fisher and Schwartz to do their job. Even Mahomes has alluded to this, and because he’s a gift from the Universe he will fix it in short order. I’d be surprised if you don’t see this better this week, just hope the interior steps up and doesn’t make him second guess.

[Dunerdr]

Have we all forgotten pat calling himself out on this last year when he was injured? He came back and stepped up more and we lit the world on fire. Sure there are plays called that far back but not every damn one, and surely the tackles know when it is a deep drop, so they wouldnt run the rusher straight to him..

[Mahomes_Is_God]

Hows about our OL stop playing like complete dog shit and then Mahomes wont have to constantly keep doing Superman things to bail our asses out.