***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

I want to thank every one of you who sent a supportive message or text over the last three weeks - but the fight ended earlier today.

Hug your family a little tighter next time you get the chance.

Sorry to hear that. What a terrible way to kick off the holiday, but it was going to be overshadowed by this anyway. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive him someday.

[emaw1979]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

If you just read this thread, dozens of posters have lost loved ones to covid. No one has lost a loved one to the vaccine.

You have to look really hard for information to back your opinion about risk/reward of the vaccine, and ignore the giant mountain of evidence to the contrary.

BS

I've lost a family member to a seizure caused by a blood clot in the brain because of the vaccine. We lost another family friend from the same exact thing. Both were within a month of receiving the vaccine.

A few days ago, I lost a long-time coworker to COVID. He was the first person I've known that's passed away from COVID. He was in his 50s but was also about 450+ pounds. I've known a few people hospitalized (Cancer) (Weight+), but the gross majority, including myself and my family, suffered no or very few symptoms.

My wife and I are not vaccinated but the rest of my family is. We have no plans on getting the jab.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

I want to thank every one of you who sent a supportive message or text over the last three weeks - but the fight ended earlier today.

Hug your family a little tighter next time you get the chance.

Sorry for your loss.

[phisherman]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

I want to thank every one of you who sent a supportive message or text over the last three weeks - but the fight ended earlier today.

Hug your family a little tighter next time you get the chance.

Awful news. Sorry to hear it. What a shit show.

[Rain Man]

I'm sorry to hear, OTW. This thing is striking closer to home as it goes.

[IA_Chiefs_fan]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

I want to thank every one of you who sent a supportive message or text over the last three weeks - but the fight ended earlier today.

Hug your family a little tighter next time you get the chance.

I'm terribly sorry.
I'm getting really tired of saying those words for this reason :-(

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

I want to thank every one of you who sent a supportive message or text over the last three weeks - but the fight ended earlier today.

Hug your family a little tighter next time you get the chance.

I'm so sorry.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by emaw1979

I've lost a family member to a seizure caused by a blood clot in the brain because of the vaccine. We lost another family friend from the same exact thing. Both were within a month of receiving the vaccine.

So you know 2 of the 12 people total who have died from blood clots from the vaccine? Incredible odds.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. TTS is a rare but serious adverse event that causes blood clots in large blood vessels and low platelets (blood cells that help form clots). As of December 8, 2021, more than 16.9 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 57 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine and later developed TTS.

CDC has also identified nine deaths that have been caused by or were directly attributed to TTS following J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. Women ages 30-49 years, especially, should be aware of the increased risk of this rare adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen.

To date, three confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 458 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

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My stepdad's doc told us that his staff have been receiving death threats daily since summer, and have had to have escorts out of their building and to their cars after a nurse was followed to her car and assaulted.

And that's in ICU - I can't even imagine how nuts it is in the main part of the hospital's COVID wing.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why the anti-vaxx folks seem so bent on spreading their mis-information. I mean, it's very likely killing people.

[suzzer99]

I don't understand how you can be so out of it to think all these stories, endless, from every corner of the country, are just a bunch of made up lies.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...2-24/covid-icu

COLTON — Nine patients awaited their fate in an intensive care unit at the Arrowhead Regional Medical Center.

The youngest was 26, the oldest 66. Four of them had already been intubated, a last-ditch effort to save their lives. Inside fourth-floor rooms bare of decor, they lay alone in the dark, flat on their belly and sedated because the pain of the tube running down their throat would be too great otherwise.

The number of COVID-19 patients in the unit on Wednesday morning was about double that of a couple of weeks ago. But this was a different kind of surge from last winter, when the hospital saw well over 100 COVID patients at its peak and had to create a makeshift ICU out of the post-anesthesia care unit.

Over the past seven days, the public hospital, which is run by San Bernardino County, has averaged 20 COVID-positive patients.

The number of hospitalizations was undeniably not as bleak as they were last winter, but there was a simmering frustration. All the ICU COVID patients, every single one, was unvaccinated.

“Patients are still dying at an alarming rate, all unvaccinated,” she said. “They haven’t stopped dying for two years. It’s hard to deal with that for so long.”

As Koelliker ran through the ages of each patient — in their 60s, 50s, 40s and 20s — it illustrated another trend that healthcare workers in the county have seen in the last six months: Patients are younger than they were at the beginning of the pandemic.

The younger they are, Koelliker said, the more likely that there are underlying diseases involved. It was rare, she said, to see a young patient “who doesn’t have other health issues going on.”

Koelliker recalled the patients who had died. One was a newlywed who had just married a week prior. There was a mother and son. A patient with a newborn.

The three who died on Sunday had all been unvaccinated, Koelliker said. By the time they had reached the ICU, it was too late for the vaccine to offer them any hope.

[Zhawk]

Those of you who refuse to get vaxed due to “your own research” should be fine with doing “your own treatment” when you get sick. Won’t listen to medical experts so…

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

depends on how sick you get

I had a buddy get sick who was totally dead set against the vax.

He ended up on oxygen and said he changed his mind and even if the vax just lessened his sickness, he would do it ,
because of how shitty it was to be in the hospital and have to be stuck to an oxygen tank after gettign out...


might be a case of the lesser of two evils in some peoples minds or which is the bigger risk -
vaccine side effects vs covid complications

Had a buddy that was bed ridden and absolutely miserable but avoided the hospital for about 2 weeks no work. Wife the same.
.both still won't get a vaccine cause they believe they are immune. Frustrating as a friend but they'll just have to learn

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

It's easy when you just choose to disregard anything that doesn't support your position.

Look, I have a person in my network of mine who ended up hospitalized for Myocarditis (from the vaccine). I'm not disputing that side effects can't happen.

But I've had far more people in my network (10 off the top of my head) who have been hospitalized or died from COVID. Two who still can not work (after getting COVID at the beginning of the year) and are relying on the goodwill of GoFundMe's to not lose their homes. The president of my town's city council died of COVID after a council meeting. In my hometown, my childhood best friend lost his uncle - a business owner in the town (my childhood friend blames China for developing the virus as a "bioweapon" and is convinced the vaccine is a "bioweapon" along with the virus itself via the spike protein). My aunt lost her significant other to COVID (she still blames the mask for giving him the infection).

But, if you choose to surround yourself to vaccine horror stories from Candace Owens (who herself is vaccinated) and those in her network, then yeah, it's easy to come to the conclusion that the vaccine is the problem. I respected Trump a lot for going on her show and taking a stand for one of his admin's greatest achievements developing the vaccine yesterday.

Pretty sure almost all these political people and people that spread misinformation are vaccinated.

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by DaFace

That's where I'm at. I'm way past the point of debating vaccines. Take your chances or not. I don't care. Our best hope out of this at this point is omicron being mild.

Crossing my fingers

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

I want to thank every one of you who sent a supportive message or text over the last three weeks - but the fight ended earlier today.

Hug your family a little tighter next time you get the chance.

Sorry for your family loss.