***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaFace]

Crazy how fast Omicron has overtaken Delta. It's pretty likely that Delta will be a tiny sliver of cases in a couple weeks.



Source: https://yourlocalepidemiologist.subs...-update-dec-22

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Crazy how fast Omicron has overtaken Delta. It's pretty likely that Delta will be a tiny sliver of cases in a couple weeks.



Source: https://yourlocalepidemiologist.subs...-update-dec-22

Think this ends up being a good thing. Looks like omicron is gonna be better for immune and non immune so we want it to push delta out.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Let me guess - someone looked at VAERS and compared the rates of myocarditis in 2021 to a year when we weren't trying to vaccinate 250 million people as fast as possible. Totally apples to apples there.

Remember VAERS doesn't say the condition was caused by the shot, only that a condition occurred around the same time frame. There will always be lots of coincidences. Which is why you need someone knowledgeable to filter out the noise, and also why VAERS is so easy for click-bait charlatans to turn into misinformation.

VAERS is intended for comparing rates of issues that occur around the vaccination time year over year to look for trends. Obviously in 2021 it's going to be impossible to compare to a previous year to look for any trends. Anyone who does so is either very ignorant, or most likely being deliberately misleading.

You guessed wrong. Nothing to do with VAERS. It was a Danish study:

"Conclusions Vaccination with mRNA-1273 was associated with a significantly increased risk of myocarditis or myopericarditis in the Danish population, primarily driven by an increased risk among individuals aged 12-39 years, while BNT162b2 vaccination was only associated with a significantly increased risk among women. However, the absolute rate of myocarditis or myopericarditis after SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination was low, even in younger age groups. The benefits of SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination should be taken into account when interpreting these findings. Larger multinational studies are needed to further investigate the risks of myocarditis or myopericarditis after vaccination within smaller subgroups."

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by O.city

Think this ends up being a good thing. Looks like omicron is gonna be better for immune and non immune so we want it to push delta out.

Certainly hope so. That article suggests that the best-case scenario probably still results in at least small bumps in hospitalizations and deaths in the short term since it spreads so damn fast, but I guess the hope is that it burns through quickly and then we're largely done with it.

[carlos3652]

My inner circle is going through it now, positives galore - we have now passed through the negative side - but my wife’s parents are in the middle of it.

No hospitalizations / no deaths in my family thankfully. Unvaxxed, Vaxxed and Boosted in my fam. Didn’t matter. Positives happened anyway.

[OnTheWarpath15]

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

So every time an elected representative says something, we require proof, or we can just ignore it if we want to? That's convenient.

You think the people staging maskless sitins at Cheesecake factories wouldn't attack hospital staff if their loved one was dying? You think those nutjobs in Dallas wouldn't attack hospital staff? May I refer to 1000s of videos on the internet of people getting violent when simply asked to wear a mask? You think those people wouldn't attack hospital staff?

A wise person once said: it is a fact of life that we hold ideas we would like to believe to a lower standard of proof than ideas we would like to disbelieve. In the former case we ask "Am I allowed to believe it?" and in the latter case we ask "Am I forced to believe it?"

Yeah I'll admit it, when an elected representative says something that makes total sense given all the available evidence, I tend to believe it. You on the other hand want to require incontrovertible truth for something that could pretty obviously be true.

My stepdad's doc told us that his staff have been receiving death threats daily since summer, and have had to have escorts out of their building and to their cars after a nurse was followed to her car and assaulted.

And that's in ICU - I can't even imagine how nuts it is in the main part of the hospital's COVID wing.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Certainly hope so. That article suggests that the best-case scenario probably still results in at least small bumps in hospitalizations and deaths in the short term since it spreads so damn fast, but I guess the hope is that it burns through quickly and then we're largely done with it.

It's pretty hard to imagine that (outside of one or two hermits) there will be anyone left by spring who is both unvaccinated and hasn't gotten it.

So yes, hopefully going forward any future variations/infections are flu like at worse.

But a worst-case scenario is a future mutation that bucks the trend and is more lethal.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

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My stepdad's doc told us that his staff have been receiving death threats daily since summer, and have had to have escorts out of their building and to their cars after a nurse was followed to her car and assaulted.

And that's in ICU - I can't even imagine how nuts it is in the main part of the hospital's COVID wing.

And people wonder why there's a staffing shortage.

Or why we should care about their misinformation rants.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

My stepdad's doc told us that his staff have been receiving death threats daily since summer, and have had to have escorts out of their building and to their cars after a nurse was followed to her car and assaulted.

And that's in ICU - I can't even imagine how nuts it is in the main part of the hospital's COVID wing.

That is infuriating. You'd think watching a loved one clinging to life would result in a revelation or two. I'm not going to lie, I was in the skeptic camp for quite a while and the only reason I did the vacs was because of the Mrs pushing me to do them. But what I've seen the past few months was a reality check and this is the one time I don't mind admitting she was right.

[carlos3652]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

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My stepdad's doc told us that his staff have been receiving death threats daily since summer, and have had to have escorts out of their building and to their cars after a nurse was followed to her car and assaulted.

And that's in ICU - I can't even imagine how nuts it is in the main part of the hospital's COVID wing.

Sounds like the end of the night at a strip club. Wtf is wrong with people.

Teachers are also quitting… the world is becoming shittier and shittier.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

That is infuriating. You'd think watching a loved one clinging to life would result in a revelation or two. I'm not going to lie, I was in the skeptic camp for quite a while and the only reason I did the vacs was because of the Mrs pushing me to do them. But what I've seen the past few months was a reality check and this is the one time I don't mind admitting she was right.

I'm glad you changed your mind.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

And people wonder why there's a staffing shortage.

Or why we should care about their misinformation rants.

Bingo

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

That is infuriating. You'd think watching a loved one clinging to life would result in a revelation or two. I'm not going to lie, I was in the skeptic camp for quite a while and the only reason I did the vacs was because of the Mrs pushing me to do them. But what I've seen the past few months was a reality check and this is the one time I don't mind admitting she was right.

I have posted previously about my ex who is a RN and both her and her husband were hard core anti-vaxxers, anti-mandates etc, alot of it because of politics. They got it really bad and ended up both hospitalized and had to tote around oxygen and health care home came to take care of them for a couple of weeks. She was so close to going on a vent and you would think that would change a person. But she is still anti-vax and thinks the vaccine is made from aborted fetuses, but he has done a complete 180. He has had some kidney issues etc from covid so he is now all hardcore get the vaccine and mask mandates. Really interesting case study.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

I'm glad you changed your mind.

I wasn't a hardcore skeptic, just on the fence. So don't give me too much credit.

[KS Smitty]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

That is infuriating. You'd think watching a loved one clinging to life would result in a revelation or two. I'm not going to lie, I was in the skeptic camp for quite a while and the only reason I did the vacs was because of the Mrs pushing me to do them. But what I've seen the past few months was a reality check and this is the one time I don't mind admitting she was right.

She's a great lady.