***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

The booster is a lesser dosage, last I saw it wasn't eliciting the issues it was prior.

[O.city]

NEW: Omicron Has 80% Lower Risk of Hospitalization, New Study Shows https://t.co/gygoHRLHFF

— Nicole Saphier, MD (@NBSaphierMD) December 22, 2021

[O.city]

I think we're gonna get lucky and Omnicron will push out Delta. The problem is Delta is still wrecking here in the US.

[George Liquor]

If this version of covid is inevitable then I'm certainly not getting a booster. I'll just let nature do it's thing. I'm sick right now with (what I believe is) a cold and it's almost indistinguishable from when I had covid in October.

No brain fog though, that's nice I guess.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think we're gonna get lucky and Omnicron will push out Delta. The problem is Delta is still wrecking here in the US.

We haven't seen anything like what we did with the Delta boom in July. None of our November/December positives have required hospitalization where 10% of our positives did back in July.

I think Omnicron has been here longer than we know.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by TimBone

But Joe Rogan said..

Was just briefed by a major hospital network CEO. It's not just that they're beyond capacity. The families of their unvaccinated patients are ATTACKING caregivers for not giving them the 'right' meds and (quack) treatments.

25 incidents EVERY DAY.

This. Is. INSANE.

— Rep. Casey Weinstein (@RepWeinstein) December 21, 2021

This is why Rogan having Alex Berenson on a half dozen times pushing his misinformation nonsense is far from harmless.

[George Liquor]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Was just briefed by a major hospital network CEO. It's not just that they're beyond capacity. The families of their unvaccinated patients are ATTACKING caregivers for not giving them the 'right' meds and (quack) treatments.

25 incidents EVERY DAY.

This. Is. INSANE.

— Rep. Casey Weinstein (@RepWeinstein) December 21, 2021

This is why Rogan having Alex Berenson on a half dozen times pushing his misinformation nonsense is far from harmless.

lol where is the proof?

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

There is also data out now that the risk of myocarditis in males under 40 is greater after 2 Moderna shots than it is from catching Covid. The numbers will likely climb if Moderna is being used as a booster.

The US should follow the European countries who don't recommend Moderna for males under 40.

Let me guess - someone looked at VAERS and compared the rates of myocarditis in 2021 to a year when we weren't trying to vaccinate 250 million people as fast as possible. Totally apples to apples there.

Remember VAERS doesn't say the condition was caused by the shot, only that a condition occurred around the same time frame. There will always be lots of coincidences. Which is why you need someone knowledgeable to filter out the noise, and also why VAERS is so easy for click-bait charlatans to turn into misinformation.

VAERS is intended for comparing rates of issues that occur around the vaccination time year over year to look for trends. Obviously in 2021 it's going to be impossible to compare to a previous year to look for any trends. Anyone who does so is either very ignorant, or most likely being deliberately misleading.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by BDj23

lol where is the proof?

So every time an elected representative says something, we require proof, or we can just ignore it if we want to? That's convenient.

You think the people staging maskless sitins at Cheesecake factories wouldn't attack hospital staff if their loved one was dying? You think those nutjobs in Dallas wouldn't attack hospital staff? May I refer to 1000s of videos on the internet of people getting violent when simply asked to wear a mask? You think those people wouldn't attack hospital staff?

A wise person once said: it is a fact of life that we hold ideas we would like to believe to a lower standard of proof than ideas we would like to disbelieve. In the former case we ask "Am I allowed to believe it?" and in the latter case we ask "Am I forced to believe it?"

Yeah I'll admit it, when an elected representative says something that makes total sense given all the available evidence, I tend to believe it. You on the other hand want to require incontrovertible truth for something that could pretty obviously be true.

[dirk digler]

With people still talking about ivermectin... So guy gets covid, his doctor prescribes ivermectin, doesn't work so he goes to hospital and mom sues to keep giving him it.

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news...treatment-dies

COVID-19 patient whose family sued Olathe Medical Center over ivermectin treatment dies

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The man whose mother sued Olathe Medical Center to compel the hospital to treat him with ivermectin died from COVID-19 complications last week.

Deke Belden, 41, died Dec. 13 after being hospitalized for more than two weeks. He was under sedation for treatment of pneumonia related to a COVID-19 infection.

Belden’s personal physician had approved treatment of COVID-19 with ivermectin after he was diagnosed in November. He used a private supply that belonged to his mother, Sherri Belden.

But Olathe Medical Center stopped treatment with ivermectin — an anti-parasitic most often used to treat heartworm in livestock — after he was admitted Nov. 27 through the emergency room.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not approved nor does it recommend treating COVID-19 with ivermectin, though its use as a treatment has gained traction primarily among anti-vaxxers.

The U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention issued a health advisory in August 2021, warning of an increase in cases of ivermectin overdoses.

Sherri Belden, acting under power of attorney with her son sedated, sued Olathe Medical Center in Johnson County District Court on Dec. 6, seeking a court order to allow her son to be treated with ivermectin as “the last, best chance of survival from this dread disease.”

She had previously brought in some of her own ivermectin and tried to administer it to Deke Belden in the hospital, but Olathe Medical Center staff intervened.

"The physicians and caregivers at Olathe Medical Center take an evidence-based approach to COVID-19 treatment, just as with any other illness or condition," the hospital said in a statement to KSHB 41 News last week. "The patient’s best interest is always the top priority with consideration of all appropriate treatment options as guided by certifying medical boards."

A judge rejected a temporary emergency injunction Dec. 8.

[dirk digler]

Pfizer Pill authorized by FDA

An at-home treatment for COVID-19 that can prevent serious illness was authorized by the Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday, offering a note of optimism for the future of the pandemic in an otherwise uncertain time as the world faces the omicron variant.

When taken early, Pfizer's pill was 89% effective at reducing the risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19, according to the company, and was effective against omicron.

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla estimated that 1,200 deaths and 6,000 hospitalizations would be prevented for every 100,000 COVID-19 patients who take the pills.

[George Liquor]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

So every time an elected representative says something, we require proof, or we can just ignore it if we want to? That's convenient.

You think the people staging maskless sitins at Cheesecake factories wouldn't attack hospital staff if their loved one was dying? You think those nutjobs in Dallas wouldn't attack hospital staff? May I refer to 1000s of videos on the internet of people getting violent when simply asked to wear a mask? You think those people wouldn't attack hospital staff?

A wise person once said: it is a fact of life that we hold ideas we would like to believe to a lower standard of proof than ideas we would like to disbelieve. In the former case we ask "Am I allowed to believe it?" and in the latter case we ask "Am I forced to believe it?"

Yeah I'll admit it, when an elected representative says something that makes total sense given all the available evidence, I tend to believe it. You on the other hand want to require incontrovertible truth for something that could pretty obviously be true.

Politicians lie all the time. If this is happening "25 times a day" I think there would be at least ONE video, considering everyone in the world has a camera in their pocket.

But you're an NPC, so eat it up.

[O.city]

When people have family members/friends what not that sick and dying they lash out. It happens and it's terrible.

We're getting to caught up in stupid bullshit like this.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by BDj23

Politicians lie all the time. If this is happening "25 times a day" I think there would be at least ONE video, considering everyone in the world has a camera in their pocket.

But you're an NPC, so eat it up.

Look at all these lies, it's a gigantic conspiracy:

https://www.kxan.com/investigations/...ovid-19-surge/

https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...001/?gnt-cfr=1

https://www.businessinsider.com/covi...rmectin-2021-9

https://www.who.int/news-room/featur...xt-of-covid-19

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/health-...panic-buttons/

https://www.fox29.com/news/health-ca...9-safety-rules

https://www.ksat.com/video/news/2021...xecutive-says/

https://www.kcentv.com/article/news/...a-0321dc6f3c6c

https://whdh.com/news/mass-er-nurses...ient-violence/

Your stance amounts to - I refuse to believe it until you force me to, even though it's perfectly in line with other behavior we've seen during the pandemic.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Pfizer Pill authorized by FDA

I've still never crossed the Atlantic by ship, so I need stuff like this.