***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[LTL]

Originally Posted by 4th and Long

I can tell you what they look like. We have MORE COVID patients now than we did a year ago.

I'm in south central ks and this is us as well then sprinkle in things we didn't have to deal with as much last year and being short nurses and its a shit show.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by TLO

If you would have just posted that and left out the part about ivermectin then ok

It shows the hypocrisy of the media and the agenda they are driving. Ivermectin as a human drug has a forty year history of being safe. That’s a fact. The media creates a false narrative that it is primarily an animal medication and hundreds of people were taking the animal form and clogging up hospitals.

Meanwhile legitimate dangers exist with the Merck pill and it is barely mentioned in msm.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It shows the hypocrisy of the media and the agenda they are driving. Ivermectin as a human drug has a forty year history of being safe. That’s a fact. The media creates a false narrative that it is primarily an animal medication and hundreds of people were taking the animal form and clogging up hospitals.

Meanwhile legitimate dangers exist with the Merck pill and it is barely mentioned in msm.

Bolded is not necessarily true. It has a history of treatment for humans that have parasitic worms, that much is true. Same as its use in livestock. But it still has well known negative side effects. It's used for that treatment, because the side effects are worth risking to rid someone of parasitic worms.

The fact that it's been effectively used for that purpose(parasites) doesn't really mean much for it's treatment of something else like covid(virus). And it's not like it hasn't been tested thoroughly for that purpose. It has, and none of the studies have shown any conclusive proof that it's effective.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Fish

Bolded is not necessarily true. It has a history of treatment for humans that have parasitic worms, that much is true. Same as its use in livestock. But it still has well known negative side effects. It's used for that treatment, because the side effects are worth risking to rid someone of parasitic worms.

The fact that it's been effectively used for that purpose(parasites) doesn't really mean much for it's treatment of something else like covid(virus). And it's not like it hasn't been tested thoroughly for that purpose. It has, and none of the studies have shown any conclusive proof that it's effective.

It may or may not be effective for Covid. That should be up to open scientific discussion, testing and debate, not censorship, false media claims and fictitious stories. That is incredibly dangerous.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It may or may not be effective for Covid. That should be up to open scientific discussion, testing and debate, not censorship, false media claims and fictitious stories. That is incredibly dangerous.

It has been up to open scientific discussion for well over a year. There have been many studies done. The overwhelming conclusion is that it wasn't effective. Tests are still ongoing. There's nothing stopping any scientists from providing evidence of its effectiveness, or debating the issue. That can and has been done. Ivermectin simply hasn't proven to be successful in any quality studies.

[TimBone]

But Joe Rogan said..

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by TimBone

But Joe Rogan said..

Where did Joe Rogan get his info?

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Joe Rogan the fact is Ivermectin is an incredibly safe drug yet media had to literally fabricate stories about it in an attempt to scare people.

BTW my wife was prescribed it by her Dr just 2 weeks ago when she tested posotive.

[O.city]

It’s safe at levels for parasitic involvement

The amount needed to or shown to have antiviral activity isn’t. Or atleast based on my readings. I have no clue. It may provide some help. It may not.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Fish

It has been up to open scientific discussion for well over a year. There have been many studies done. The overwhelming conclusion is that it wasn't effective. Tests are still ongoing. There's nothing stopping any scientists from providing evidence of its effectiveness, or debating the issue. That can and has been done. Ivermectin simply hasn't proven to be successful in any quality studies.

The same people who spent year one going on about how 99.9% of people have zero serious side effects and don't die from Covid, then take an anti-parasitic when they get Covid and fit inside their own statistic.... boom, science!

[Sure-Oz]

Woah.

https://twitter.com/DefenseBaron/sta...MZ9l3aMKQ&s=19

[Hawker007]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Woah.

https://twitter.com/DefenseBaron/sta...MZ9l3aMKQ&s=19

Well that is interesting. But like the article says, there’s a chance we will all be infected before we even get a chance to take this. But, it will be beneficial going forward against other variants if needed.

[LongSufferingToady]

What I've read is that Covid Omnicron is going to get everyone, including those of us who are vaccinated. The only difference is that it will be much less severe, especially for the vaccinated, than the other versions of this G** D*** F****** virus.

I hate it. I really hate it. I'm sick to death of this lousy virus. Let's go China!

However, in a pleasantly surprising development, the US Army may be on the verge of a Covid-19 vaccine that handles all forms of the SARS-origin viruses. Very exciting stuff.

Here's the link:
https://www.defenseone.com/technolog...riants/360089/

[Chiefnj2]

I'm not sure if this was discussed, but here is the OP-Ed written by Drs. Krauss and Gruber who were the two scientists who resigned from the FDA a few months ago and another member of the FDA advisory committee on boosters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...ersal-opinion/

[O.city]

Yeah, boosters for those under, 60ish and healthy aren't really needed IMO for hospitalizations and severe illness.

But at this point, you aren't getting to the unvaccinated.

[Chiefnj2]

There is also data out now that the risk of myocarditis in males under 40 is greater after 2 Moderna shots than it is from catching Covid. The numbers will likely climb if Moderna is being used as a booster.

The US should follow the European countries who don't recommend Moderna for males under 40.