***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Over 250K+ Americans die a year due to medical errors so I would say that people should be also skeptical of hospitals and doctors.

if you take a look at the just some of the numbers you could make a case to not trust any profession anywhere ever , how many people have doctors saved?

[TLO]

Early data show 2 doses of Pfizer probably won't have much effect on infection. There's thought that T cells may still prevent against severe disease.

3rd dose seems to provide a greater deal of protection.

No info to be found on other vaccines yet.

[Lzen]

I have another question.

How is everyone checking their O2 levels?
Are you all just using Apple watches or something similar?
I have a Wyze watch that gives me that info. Not sure how accurate it is but I do like the feature.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Monticore

if you take a look at the just some of the numbers you could make a case to not trust any profession anywhere ever , how many people have doctors saved?

If I'm in a car accident and need an emergency surgery my trust is high.

If it is something based on overall health or wellness I am reading the fine print.


But taking this away from my own personal views, I guess you are wondering why Americans have low trust in their government or bureaucrats.

It's because trust is earned. Sweden's health bureaucrats have built up trust over decades. So when they recommend something people tend to listen. In America, there is no to little trust for a large amount of the population in people purporting to be "health" authorities.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Lzen

I have another question.

How is everyone checking their O2 levels?
Are you all just using Apple watches or something similar?
I have a Wyze watch that gives me that info. Not sure how accurate it is but I do like the feature.

Buy a pulse ox

[TLO]

Summary
Omicron's 30-40-fold reduction in neut. antibody titers will lead to ESTIMATED:
~10-14% reduction in VE HOSPITALIZATION
~40-60% reduction in SYMPTOMATIC INFECTION
Both of these can be mostly mitigated by 3rd dose booster.

— A Marm Kilpatrick (@DiseaseEcology) December 8, 2021

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

If not getting the surgery can somehow kill other people, then sure.

The really frustrating part of this whole thing is that it's NOT ABOUT YOU.

It's about spreading it to other people who might die.

If everybody who CAN get the shot gets the shot, then this is the flu.

And I could get back to my life.

Point taken but didn't the CDC recently admit that the shot doesn't prevent the spread?

[TLO]

Fantastic news. Initial lab studies show a third dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine neutralizes Omicron. A booster with the current version of the vaccine RAISES antibodies 25-FOLD providing a similar level as observed after two doses against the original virus and other variants!

— Chise �������� (@sailorrooscout) December 8, 2021

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by TLO

Early data show 2 doses of Pfizer probably won't have much effect on infection. There's thought that T cells may still prevent against severe disease.

3rd dose seems to provide a greater deal of protection.

No info to be found on other vaccines yet.

For Omicron?

And if so do you have a link?

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Monticore

all politicians are idiots but what they say doesn't change the product itself and the beer a day mandate would probably be more harmful than the vaccine one and there would be less pushback.

It probably wasn't a good metaphor because beer has been around for centuries. These types of vaccines are relatively new. And before anyone goes there, they hadn't been tested on humans long term.

Apples to oranges.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by TLO

Fantastic news. Initial lab studies show a third dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine neutralizes Omicron. A booster with the current version of the vaccine RAISES antibodies 25-FOLD providing a similar level as observed after two doses against the original virus and other variants!

— Chise �������� (@sailorrooscout) December 8, 2021

Chise is all about ABC, Always Be Closing.

However, just raising antibodies doesn't mean one is protected if the variant is evading those antibodies.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Point taken but didn't the CDC recently admit that the shot doesn't prevent the spread?

It doesn't but some are still stuck in April 2021.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

If I'm in a car accident and need an emergency surgery my trust is high.

If it is something based on overall health or wellness I am reading the fine print.


But taking this away from my own personal views, I guess you are wondering why Americans have low trust in their government or bureaucrats.

It's because trust is earned. Sweden's health bureaucrats have built up trust over decades. So when they recommend something people tend to listen. In America, there is no to little trust for a large amount of the population in people purporting to be "health" authorities.

Trust can be earned but it can also be destroyed pretty easily by a bunch of morons on the internet, you could work for years building trust in a community and all it takes 1 Facebook post by one dumbass to plant the seed of diss trust , there are probably quit a few other things that make Sweden different than the US .

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

It doesn't but some are still stuck in April 2021.

Yeah this whole take the shot to save Grandma needs to stop. The vaccine does not prevent spread.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Lzen

It probably wasn't a good metaphor because beer has been around for centuries. These types of vaccines are relatively new. And before anyone goes there, they hadn't been tested on humans long term.

Apples to oranges.

Beer has a history of causing long term side effects, vaccines don’t, most of these ingredients have been used in humans before .