***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

The year of therapeutics that make the right people $$$$.

Nothing wrong with them making some money if they developed it.

Originally Posted by DaFace

While the early flu comparisons weren't particularly accurate, it does seem like that's the trajectory this thing is on in the long run. I'll be endemic. There will probably be annual vaccines. But between those and therapeutics, hopefully it'll get it down to the level that we can collectively live with.

I really hope so. Very tired of Covid

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

If 2020 was the year of the vaccine, 2022 may be the year of #COVID19 therapeutics.

Pfizer (via press release) says it's new anti-viral pill cuts severe COVID infection by 89%, while Merck's pill reportedly cuts severe infection by 50%.https://t.co/wBmvi0E5Ra by @BerkeleyJr

— Isaac Bogoch (@BogochIsaac) November 5, 2021

Makes sense. Low dose ritonavir is given with several other protease inhibitors because it inhibits CYP 3A4, which is the most common cytochrome P450 enzyme for drug metabolism in humans. It's not really given because it's a protease inhibitor, but because of its enzyme inhibition.

By slowing the metabolism of the drug, you are able to increase the effective dose because it isn't cleared from the body as quickly.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Makes sense. Low dose ritonavir is given with several other protease inhibitors because it inhibits CYP 3A4, which is the most common cytochrome P450 enzyme for drug metabolism in humans. It's not really given because it's a protease inhibitor, but because of its enzyme inhibition.

By slowing the metabolism of the drug, you are able to increase the effective dose because it isn't cleared from the body as quickly.

This is exactly what I was thinking......

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Nothing wrong with them making some money if they developed it.



I really hope so. Very tired of Covid

I can't imagine the crazy people are going to take this either. I assume this has microchips or whatever in it as well.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I can't imagine the crazy people are going to take this either. I assume this has microchips or whatever in it as well.

If it works, I imagine they will find a reason not to take it.

Or rather the places that they get their news from will provide them reasons not to take it.

Which is all rather sad as far as the suffering the disease has caused.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by TLO

That guy looks like he smells like stale beer and cabbage.

Russell brand used to annoy me. But lately, I've been watching these and he's been making a lot of sense, IMO. My main point of posting this one is starting at 9:00, you see all the news shows brought to you by Phizer. I realize that a lot of people want to live in their happy world and ignore the realities of this kind of stuff (not saying you, specifically). Still, the implications are worth considering, IMO.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Russell brand used to annoy me. But lately, I've been watching these and he's been making a lot of sense, IMO. My main point of posting this one is starting at 9:00, you see all the news shows brought to you by Phizer. I realize that a lot of people want to live in their happy world and ignore the realities of this kind of stuff (not saying you, specifically). Still, the implications are worth considering, IMO.

The US, along with New Zealand, is one of two companies that allows for pharmaceutical companies to advertise on television with little restriction. If Brand wants to criticize that, that's fine. Where his argument falls apart is that regardless of the advertising, there is an avalanche of clinical data out there that shows the efficacy of all major manufacturers of COVID vaccines, as well as monoclonal antibodies, which significantly decrease morbidity and mortality.

He has no training in the evaluation of evidence-based practices, neither does Joe Rogan, and no amount of media criticism is going to replace that.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I can't imagine the crazy people are going to take this either. I assume this has microchips or whatever in it as well.

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

If it works, I imagine they will find a reason not to take it.

Or rather the places that they get their news from will provide them reasons not to take it.

Which is all rather sad as far as the suffering the disease has caused.

So we are whining about people not taking it even though nobody has said they aren't taking it yet?

[DaFace]

For a random data point on side effects, I got the Moderna booster yesterday and barely feel anything at all (other than the sore arm). The original J&J kicked my ass, so nice to not have to do that again.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by DaFace

For a random data point on side effects, I got the Moderna booster yesterday and barely feel anything at all (other than the sore arm). The original J&J kicked my ass, so nice to not have to do that again.

Interesting

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The US, along with New Zealand, is one of two companies that allows for pharmaceutical companies to advertise on television with little restriction. If Brand wants to criticize that, that's fine. Where his argument falls apart is that regardless of the advertising, there is an avalanche of clinical data out there that shows the efficacy of all major manufacturers of COVID vaccines, as well as monoclonal antibodies, which significantly decrease morbidity and mortality.

He has no training in the evaluation of evidence-based practices, neither does Joe Rogan, and no amount of media criticism is going to replace that.

I'd bet 100 to 1 that all the people spreading conspiracies about Pfizer will take the new Pfizer Covid pill no questions asked if they get sick.

Sometimes I wonder how much of all of this comes down to being scared of needles. If the vaxx was a pill - would the level of pushback be the same?

Or it's more like, "I don't need a vaccine. I will never get sick. ... Oh shit I'm sick, doc please give me everything you've got."

[loochy]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

I'd bet 100 to 1 that all the people spreading conspiracies about Pfizer will take the new Pfizer Covid pill no questions asked if they get sick.

Sometimes I wonder how much of all of this comes down to being scared of needles. If the vaxx was a pill - would the level of pushback be the same?

Or it's more like, "I don't need a vaccine. I will never get sick. ... Oh shit I'm sick, doc please give me everything you've got."

No, all of this comes down to oppositional defiance.

[suzzer99]

https://www.kwtx.com/2021/11/08/stat...ths-this-year/

State health officials also found the vaccine greatly reduced the risk of virus transmission, including the highly contagious delta variant that ravaged the state over the summer.

Only 3% of 1.5 million positive COVID-19 tests examined since mid-January occurred in people who were already vaccinated.

[kstater]

Pfft, I trust the Aaron Rodgers of the world's resurch more.

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[suzzer99]

Any particular reason not to trust the Texas state health department?