***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Well, the history of vaccines against viruses has NEVER produced a vaccine that was superior to natural immunity.

The point of the vaccination is to stimulate your body's immune system to protect you against a virus without making you sick.

We already have studies coming in that natural immunity is not only stronger against infection but better against variants and has more durability (the vaccines don't seem to produce working memory which is why people are calling for boosters so quickly).

Can I tell you EXACTLY how much protection I have (I had Covid in August)? No, but I know I am more protected than people getting the jab.

Building natural immunity against the Black Plague was a real hassle for people in Europe.

I guess the question is whether the disease is mild enough that you're glad risking it to prevent a second case. I don't see any argument for rolling a roulette death wheel even if the odds are low. I'll take a roll on the non-death wheel instead.

[O.city]

Oklahoma posted reinfection v breakthrough rates ��

Currently reinfection to breakthrough 2:1 ratio pic.twitter.com/TkceCHtK3q

— Juli798686 (@juli_bg_bs) September 30, 2021

[IA_Chiefs_fan]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Building natural immunity against the Black Plague was a real hassle for people in Europe.

I guess the question is whether the disease is mild enough that you're glad risking it to prevent a second case. I don't see any argument for rolling a roulette death wheel even if the odds are low. I'll take a roll on the non-death wheel instead.

I'd like the non-death wheel too please.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Building natural immunity against the Black Plague was a real hassle for people in Europe.

I guess the question is whether the disease is mild enough that you're glad risking it to prevent a second case. I don't see any argument for rolling a roulette death wheel even if the odds are low. I'll take a roll on the non-death wheel instead.

Luckily for us Covid is nothing like the Black Plague which wiped out 1/3 of Europe. Instead, US population grew from last year during Covid.


But none of this, while an interesting side-tour, has anything to do with my original point which is that the current thought leadership in the US is pretending natural immunity doesn't exist.

That nurse on the front line working without a vaccine didn't have a choice to get Covid or not. That person bringing you food while you Doordashed and took pictures of yourself didn't get a choice. The person working the packing plants and stocking the shelves didn't get a choice.

They all got Covid while they were catering to the professional and managerial classes and now we are going to pretend they don't have immunity to the virus.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

If you can provide an example where a vaccine against a virus was superior to natural immunity I will definitely check it out.


My thoughts are just what I learned watching lectures and Q and A's from top immunology, virology types in Spring 2020.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Additional risk, no benefit.

The point of the vaccine was to simulate encountering the virus without getting sick.

I don't need a simulation, my body just dealt with the real thing.


The only benefit would be to show politicians I am personally compliant and obedient. To me that is not really a benefit.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Building natural immunity against the Black Plague was a real hassle for people in Europe.

I guess the question is whether the disease is mild enough that you're glad risking it to prevent a second case. I don't see any argument for rolling a roulette death wheel even if the odds are low. I'll take a roll on the non-death wheel instead.

If Covid is being compared to the black plague.

What is heart disease? The Apocalypse?

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

If Covid is being compared to the black plague.

What is heart disease? The Apocalypse?

I really hate the term I'm about to.use because it has been co opted by a bunch of morons, but this is a false equivalence. Car fatalities would have made a little more sense at least since many of the deaths were caused by another party.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Additional risk, no benefit.

The point of the vaccine was to simulate encountering the virus without getting sick.

I don't need a simulation, my body just dealt with the real thing.


The only benefit would be to show politicians I am personally compliant and obedient. To me that is not really a benefit.

Where are you getting that?

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...DC_921-DM63289

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Where are you getting that?

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...DC_921-DM63289

It's telling that they would cherry pick one state and two months to turn that garbage out.

Makary of Johns Hopkins called it garbage.

Desperate people do shoddy work like this.

They know they are lying.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

It's telling that they would cherry pick one state and two months to turn that garbage out.

Makary of Johns Hopkins called it garbage.

Desperate people do shoddy work like this.

They know they are lying.

Yeah, I'm sure all the disparate studies showing that vaccination after recovery from infection are bunk.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Yeah, I'm sure all the disparate studies showing that vaccination after recovery from infection are bunk.

If they are like the Kentucky "study", then that's pure garbage.

Can you explain why people that had measles or small pox were not asked to get a vaccine before?

Hard for me to understand this new Pharma $cience...

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

If they are like the Kentucky "study", then that's pure garbage.

Can you explain why people that had measles or small pox were not asked to get a vaccine before?

Hard for me to understand this new Pharma $cience...

How about all the international ones, like from the UK or Israel?

You seem to love both when they give a morsel that supports your thoughts, like when they say infection acquired immunity is very good protection.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

How about all the international ones, like from the UK or Israel?

You seem to love both when they give a morsel that supports your thoughts, like when they say infection acquired immunity is very good protection.

You didn't answer the question.

Why this new turn in immunology?

We have never vaccinated the recovered for any other disease before.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

You didn't answer the question.

Why this new turn in immunology?

We have never vaccinated the recovered for any other disease before.

Yes they vaccinate for HPV which I am sure you know all about

Oh and they say the HPV vaccine is much better than getting HPV.