***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Ninerfan11]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Yep. While it's not a 100% guarantee, having a previous infection seems to be roughly on par with being vaccinated from what I can tell, though the data's still pretty fuzzy.

No, the data is pretty clear, and it's not "on par" either.

[Ninerfan11]

India is doing GREAT!!!

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Ninerfan11

India is doing GREAT!!!

Yes, now that they've vaxxed about half their population.

Also, if you ignore the 4.5 million excess deaths they had during their Delta surge.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Yes, now that they've vaxxed about half their population.

Also, if you ignore the 4.5 million excess deaths they had during their Delta surge.

Holy shit.

[Ninerfan11]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Yes, now that they've vaxxed about half their population.

Completely and utterly wrong. 17% fully vaxxed as of now, dominating Corona into oblivion. Corona was declining well before the vax push as well. "Certain" states are especially doing great. Great news! Delta will spike and then taper off dramatically if you play it right, we see it over and over and over again.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Yes, now that they've vaxxed about half their population.

Also, if you ignore the 4.5 million excess deaths they had during their Delta surge.

Not doubting you, but do you have a link? I'd like to learn more.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Ninerfan11

Completely and utterly wrong. 17% fully vaxxed as of now, dominating Corona into oblivion. Corona was declining well before the vax push as well. "Certain" states are especially doing great. Great news! Delta will spike and then taper off dramatically if you play it right, we see it over and over and over again.

Doing great as in alot of illness and death then come down the slope of Delta?

[Monticore]

https://www.baytoday.ca/local-news/p...ntario-4469917

Pfizer now preferred COVID-19 vaccine for 18-24-year-olds: Ontario

ntario's preferred recommendation for people ages 18 to 24 years old is to receive the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine. It is effective immediately.

"I know that this news may make some people nervous and heighten concerns about receiving the COVID vaccine and I can understand that, but the benefits of vaccination continue to significantly outweigh the risks of COVID-19 illness and related, possibly severe, consequences. Vaccines are safe, they are effective at protecting us and have significantly reduced the risk of infection, hospitalization and the use of the intensive care units in Ontario alone," said Dr. Kieran Moore, Ontario's chief medical officer of health.

The change is out of an abundance of caution based on the current available analysis from Ontario's adverse events following immunization surveillance system.

There has been an observed increase in the rare heart condition called pericarditis/myocarditis after vaccination for people who receive Moderna compared to Pfizer, particularly in men.

According to Public Health Ontario, during the enhanced surveillance period in Ontario from June 1 to Aug. 7:

20.1 cases of myocarditis/pericarditis per million doses were reported in males ages 18 to 24 after their first dose of the Moderna vaccine, compared to 15.5 per million for the Pfizer vaccine.
198.6 cases of myocarditis/pericarditis per million doses were reported in males ages 18 to 24 after their second dose of Moderna, compared to 35.5 per million for the Pfizer vaccine.
0 cases of myocarditis/pericarditis per million doses were reported in females ages 18 to 24 after their first dose of the Moderna vaccine, compared to 18.7 per million for the Pfizer vaccine.
59.6 cases of myocarditis/pericarditis per million doses were reported in females ages 18 to 24 after their second dose of Moderna, compared to 39.9 per million for the Pfizer vaccine.


Symptoms typically started within a week after vaccination, typically after the second dose. The majority of cases have been mild. People have recovered quickly with anti-inflammatory medication such as ibuprofen. There have been no deaths to date.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Ninerfan11

Completely and utterly wrong. 17% fully vaxxed as of now, dominating Corona into oblivion. Corona was declining well before the vax push as well. "Certain" states are especially doing great. Great news! Delta will spike and then taper off dramatically if you play it right, we see it over and over and over again.

Do you mean creating new variants over and over and over again? Because that's the strategy that created Delta.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Ninerfan11

Completely and utterly wrong. 17% fully vaxxed as of now, dominating Corona into oblivion. Corona was declining well before the vax push as well. "Certain" states are especially doing great. Great news! Delta will spike and then taper off dramatically if you play it right, we see it over and over and over again.

They are at 47% with at least 1 dose which does provide some protection.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

They are at 47% with at least 1 dose which does provide some protection.

Delta infected the rest , getting herd immunity the hard way.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by TLO

Not doubting you, but do you have a link? I'd like to learn more.

Here ya go TLO,

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...he-official-co

[Ninerfan11]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

They are at 47% with at least 1 dose which does provide some protection.

it was declining well before this. Also, different states used different strategies. The States that didn't get caught up in weird politics did TREMENDOUS in stopping the surge.

[Ninerfan11]

Originally Posted by Monticore

https://www.baytoday.ca/local-news/p...ntario-4469917

Pfizer now preferred COVID-19 vaccine for 18-24-year-olds: Ontario

ntario's preferred recommendation for people ages 18 to 24 years old is to receive the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine. It is effective immediately.

"I know that this news may make some people nervous and heighten concerns about receiving the COVID vaccine and I can understand that, but the benefits of vaccination continue to significantly outweigh the risks of COVID-19 illness and related, possibly severe, consequences. Vaccines are safe, they are effective at protecting us and have significantly reduced the risk of infection, hospitalization and the use of the intensive care units in Ontario alone," said Dr. Kieran Moore, Ontario's chief medical officer of health.

The change is out of an abundance of caution based on the current available analysis from Ontario's adverse events following immunization surveillance system.

There has been an observed increase in the rare heart condition called pericarditis/myocarditis after vaccination for people who receive Moderna compared to Pfizer, particularly in men.

According to Public Health Ontario, during the enhanced surveillance period in Ontario from June 1 to Aug. 7:

20.1 cases of myocarditis/pericarditis per million doses were reported in males ages 18 to 24 after their first dose of the Moderna vaccine, compared to 15.5 per million for the Pfizer vaccine.
198.6 cases of myocarditis/pericarditis per million doses were reported in males ages 18 to 24 after their second dose of Moderna, compared to 35.5 per million for the Pfizer vaccine.
0 cases of myocarditis/pericarditis per million doses were reported in females ages 18 to 24 after their first dose of the Moderna vaccine, compared to 18.7 per million for the Pfizer vaccine.
59.6 cases of myocarditis/pericarditis per million doses were reported in females ages 18 to 24 after their second dose of Moderna, compared to 39.9 per million for the Pfizer vaccine.


Symptoms typically started within a week after vaccination, typically after the second dose. The majority of cases have been mild. People have recovered quickly with anti-inflammatory medication such as ibuprofen. There have been no deaths to date.

dude, they are talking about 18-24 year olds.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Ninerfan11

dude, they are talking about 18-24 year olds.

Dude , I know .