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08-28-2021, 10:15 PM | #55516 | |
Sexiest Athlete
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You see, that's the thing...the vaccine *has* been a magic bullet especially when you look at it in terms of hospitalizations and death. |
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08-28-2021, 10:28 PM | #55517 | |
Would an idiot do that?
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Arizona
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08-29-2021, 06:45 AM | #55518 | |
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Location: Colorado
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Not sure I care for your triage either. |
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08-29-2021, 08:24 AM | #55519 |
I love your mom
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Sturgeon Falls, Ontario
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I am not the one trying to equate motorcycle accidents to COVID patients when it comes to their burden on the medical system.
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08-29-2021, 08:37 AM | #55520 |
Hey Loochy, I'm hooome!
Join Date: Oct 2008
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08-29-2021, 08:41 AM | #55521 |
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My brother-in-law and sister-in-law have been diagnosed with COVID. Their 1-year-old has been diagnosed with RSV.
Our toddler had RSV when he was around the same age and I couldn't imagine being sick at the same time with COVID. We had some sleepless nights in a recliner while he slept on our chests. |
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08-29-2021, 08:56 AM | #55522 | |
Would an idiot do that?
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Arizona
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We're currently living in a world where cancer patient goes home early because someone didn't get vaccinated, yet the flip side is other people have been waiting in line for elective surgeries for over a year, but unvaccinated people who can't breathe on their own need vents. End of the day, we can all take sides on an internet message board and fall asleep at night.... but, whether you empathize or simply realize we're all one car accident or heart attack or "hold my beer" away from needing a hospital bed that may not be available, I would think everyone can agree this is ****ed up. |
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08-29-2021, 09:27 AM | #55523 | |
El Diablo
Join Date: Dec 2004
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The whole point of the lockdowns in 2020 was to allow the hospitals to not be overwhelmed by allowing them time to ramp up and deal with the amount of people they were having to take care of. A lot of the deaths were due to overwhelming the hospitals as they did not have the capacity to handle surge. This surge isn’t even as bad as winter and the hospitals can’t handle it? More then 70% of the adult population is vaccinated at this time also. |
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08-29-2021, 10:23 AM | #55524 | |
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Tulsa Ok
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2 or 3 months ago their was a tweet posted from mercy hospital in Springfield from the CEO basically begging for help from nurses respiratory therapist n other staff. Our CEO went on TV doing basically the same thing. We have beds sitting empty because their isn't the staff to open them. |
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08-29-2021, 10:58 AM | #55525 |
Hey Loochy, I'm hooome!
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: PooPooKaKaPeePeeShire
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supply and demand
Want more staff? Pay them more. There WILL be a tipping point where people will be willing to work. If the hospitals are as full as they say they are, money should be flying into the system. |
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08-29-2021, 11:07 AM | #55526 |
I love your mom
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Sturgeon Falls, Ontario
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Depends on your hospital systems, I assume hospitals dealing with high COVID volumes are probably making less money than they would with high turnover elective surgeries. It also takes time to train some random nurse into an ICU nurse and programs (schools)are set up for normal demand for nurses. For some extra money isn’t work the stress or risks.
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08-29-2021, 11:18 AM | #55527 |
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Same goes for all these low paying jobs that are going unfilled. It's a general strike.
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08-29-2021, 11:29 AM | #55528 | ||
Would an idiot do that?
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Arizona
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There's the issue of equipment and space, which seems minor compared to staff. But then... does every hospital in the country prepare? There were already mask shortages and other shortages last year.... ramping up production with another potential surge could be possible, but to what extent? And even if you have more staff that require tons of training, you still need doctors and nurses. Not to say you're completely wrong... i'm sure there are things that could be done to prepare and maybe some hospitals went back to normal while others were still cautious. And it's not like we're talking about building a bunch of new buildings or thousands of beds... yet, some areas are having to turn parking garage space into ICU units. Definitely a complicated issue made worse by pre-Covid burnout, rural hospitals going under, staffing issues, etc. |
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08-29-2021, 11:32 AM | #55529 | |
I love your mom
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Location: Sturgeon Falls, Ontario
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Out of the 100 or so nurses that work at my hospital I would maybe guess less than 10 would have the skill set and maybe less than 5 would have the qualifications to work in a large hospital ICU , our ER nurses bring in 110-125k a year it would take a significant bump for them to consider a change to an even higher stress environment during a pandemic. |
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08-29-2021, 11:46 AM | #55530 | |
El Diablo
Join Date: Dec 2004
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I’m also arm chair, day after quarterbacking - so it’s obvious now while I do think the messaging in March was unicorns and rainbows with the vaccine rollout. While 70% didn’t happen by July 4th, we are there now. I also don’t think firing nurses / doctors or staff was smart either when you lack staffing due to 100 other reasons (burn out, sick, etc) but what do I know. School boards still have outdated policies regarding vaccinated teachers and students and those haven’t been updated. We are in for another long winter I’m afraid. We could all be vaccinated by then and I don’t think it will matter, everyone will need their 3rd dose or 4th if we are doing it every 5 months (based on Israel’s and the administration’s conversation on Friday) CDC and the WHO are not even on the same page when it comes to boosters so it will be interesting how this gets handled. |
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