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Old 05-21-2019, 10:15 AM  
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:43 AM   #541
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**** that. You don’t let him walk for nothing. He’s one of the best interior pass rushers in football. A 3rd round comp pick isn’t going to cut it for me.
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:44 AM   #542
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And that's where I've been.

It's not that I'm 'anti' Jones. I think I like the guy. But I absolutely hate the freelancer shit and if people are saying "Well he just decided to **** the scheme because he was mad at Sutton" well that does him precisely zero favors in my eyes. You can't say "hang my teammates, I'm gett'n mine..."

He has flashes where he's capable of doing things that few in the NFL are capable of. But those guys also don't have the glaring holes in their game he does (run defense) or the tendency towards coasting here and there.

He's a very good player who unquestionably deserves to get paid like a very good player somewhere. But he's not a great player yet and he's demanding great player money to be the cornerstone of this defense long-term. I'm not sure that's something I'm okay doing right now.

Especially when it doesn't appear that he's offering any kind of break at all over what the franchise tag would pay him.
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Personally I think the smart thing to do might be to just play this year out and then tag him next year and then let him walk....
Depending on how the current other IDL guys develop, i'd probably go that route.

Play this year, tag and trade or tag and keep next year.
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:46 AM   #543
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Frank Clark is the cornerstone player of the defense and honestly he's a better overall player because he can do everything.

I know people like Jones but honestly considering we're likely to get a discount on Hill, walking on Jones is probably the smart money bet.
If you could tag and trade him next offseason to say, Arizona for their first rounder, you've gotta do that and move on.
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:46 AM   #544
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**** that. You don’t let him walk for nothing. He’s one of the best interior pass rushers in football. A 3rd round comp pick isn’t going to cut it for me.
Good luck, that will be the offseason of the CBA of you do hang onto him for a tag year so...

The Chiefs will likely also get extra money to spend because with a new CBA the cap should rise quite a bit.
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:49 AM   #545
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Good luck, that will be the offseason of the CBA of you do hang onto him for a tag year so...

The Chiefs will likely also get extra money to spend because with a new CBA the cap should rise quite a bit.
Then you use it to sign Jones assuming he continues to improve his overall game.
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:02 AM   #546
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Then you use it to sign Jones assuming he continues to improve his overall game.
Agreed.

If you're confident that the new CBA will yield a significant increase in the cap, the time to strike on a guy is now.

But you have to also ensure that Jones and his reps aren't out there demanding figures that keep him at the top of the estimated 'new' market as well. That's exactly what Berry's people did and the problem wasn't that we tagged him the first time, it's that we lacked the fortitude to walk away when we should have.

If a player's looking for long-term security but unwilling to also give back some of the money he could've made going year to year in the process, then you have little choice than to force him into the year to year situation and/or deal him. There's just nothing gained by tying your hands long-term to a contract figure that's going to keep the market set for several years. If you're not getting a discount, don't guarantee additional dollars.
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:05 AM   #547
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I guess that is the real question, do we think it's going to be a marginal increase or a significant increase?
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:05 AM   #548
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Then you use it to sign Jones assuming he continues to improve his overall game.
Yup. That’s also why Veach is going to get Mahomes signed early.

The new CBA should expand money by a significant margin. If they get another game added, that will be huge for the league. Up to 3 more prime time games=more money to allot for cap space.

The last few years the league has seen its cap go up to have a rise of roughly $10 million a year. After the CBA it might be $12-14 million in the coming years.

Jones and Mahomes contracts will look like steals immediately when they sign them.
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**** that. You don’t let him walk for nothing. He’s one of the best interior pass rushers in football. A 3rd round comp pick isn’t going to cut it for me.
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Okay, I know the smart thing to do is to keep the best players regardless of position.

But are any of you really comfortable with letting BOTH of our starting CBs walk after this season? If they do, we'd be left with Charvarious Ward and a bag of dicks. And Ward may very well be just another dick that got outside the bag somehow.
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Old 07-16-2019, 10:02 AM   #551
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Okay, I know the smart thing to do is to keep the best players regardless of position.

But are any of you really comfortable with letting BOTH of our starting CBs walk after this season? If they do, we'd be left with Charvarious Ward and a bag of dicks. And Ward may very well be just another dick that got outside the bag somehow.
Yes because neither are that good.
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Yes because neither are that good.
Neither of them are shutdown corners. They're both good players, however. I really don't want to go back to the days of Terrence Mitchell or Orlando Scandrick as one of my starting CBs

You're that confident Veach can find two players as good or better than them without blowing a billion dollars on a free agent?

I suppose he could just trade another 1st round pick next draft and then extend them to a $100 million long term contract. It seems to be his thing
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Okay, I know the smart thing to do is to keep the best players regardless of position.

But are any of you really comfortable with letting BOTH of our starting CBs walk after this season? If they do, we'd be left with Charvarious Ward and a bag of dicks. And Ward may very well be just another dick that got outside the bag somehow.
Probably do what Ballard is doing. Colts had a shit pass rush last year, but got Justin Houston on a discount bc he is getting old. He’s still a decent starter. Then they drafted another pass rusher with one of their first picks.

Next years corner FA class looks good.

Chris Harris
Trae Waynes
Kendall Fuller
Bashaud Breeland
Jimmy Smith
Bradley Roby
Logan Ryan
Ronald Darby
Aqib Talib
Brandon Carr
Byron Jones
Eric Rowe
Mackensie Alexander
James Bradberry
Artie Burns
Joe Haden
Jason Verrett

Lot of guys who could be decent starters or fill depth, as a solid starter or reclamation project.

Chris Harris Jr loves Pat. God how hilarious would that be to troll those ****ers?
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Old 07-16-2019, 10:15 AM   #554
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Probably do what Ballard is doing. Colts had a shit pass rush last year, but got Justin Houston on a discount bc he is getting old. He’s still a decent starter. Then they drafted another pass rusher with one of their first picks.

Next years corner FA class looks good.

Chris Harris
Trae Waynes
Kendall Fuller
Bashaud Breeland
Jimmy Smith
Bradley Roby
Logan Ryan
Ronald Darby
Aqib Talib
Brandon Carr
Byron Jones
Eric Rowe
Mackensie Alexander
James Bradberry
Artie Burns
Joe Haden
Jason Verrett

Lot of guys who could be decent starters or fill depth, as a solid starter or reclamation project.

Chris Harris Jr love Pat. God how hilarious would that be to troll those ****ers?
Love my Jayhawks but Harris is getting long in the tooth for a CB.
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but Harris is getting long in the tooth for a CB.
Yep !
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