***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[suzzer99]

Dr. Mark Kline Physician-in-Chief at Children's Hospital New Orleans: "We have not had an empty bed in any of our ICUs for weeks. We avoided going on diversion b/c of the responsibility we feel to take care of every child who needs us" but COVID is straining hospital resources pic.twitter.com/zjiZcg3C70

— Cleavon MD �� (@Cleavon_MD) August 2, 2021

Dr. Mark Kline Physician-in-Chief at Children's Hospital New Orleans dispels the myth that only children with pre-existing conditions are getting sick: "Half the children we are seeing with COVID were perfectly healthy" pic.twitter.com/ABXzlhJfgR

— Cleavon MD �� (@Cleavon_MD) August 2, 2021

I guess this guy is just a liar or something.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Dr. Mark Kline Physician-in-Chief at Children's Hospital New Orleans: "We have not had an empty bed in any of our ICUs for weeks. We avoided going on diversion b/c of the responsibility we feel to take care of every child who needs us" but COVID is straining hospital resources pic.twitter.com/zjiZcg3C70

— Cleavon MD �� (@Cleavon_MD) August 2, 2021

Dr. Mark Kline Physician-in-Chief at Children's Hospital New Orleans dispels the myth that only children with pre-existing conditions are getting sick: "Half the children we are seeing with COVID were perfectly healthy" pic.twitter.com/ABXzlhJfgR

— Cleavon MD �� (@Cleavon_MD) August 2, 2021

I guess this guy is just a liar or something.

Cleavon is a known panic porn purveyor.

Is he still working with Rebekah Geo to find the dead bodies in Florida?!

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Monticore

He lied about his trial being FDA approved, what makes you think he is qualified to run any type of trial?
Any doctor making claims about have a 100% effective drug towards any disease should set off some red flags, but the medical world still did their due diligence and like Daface said and all the studies Fish linked it came to the conclusion it didn’t make a significant difference and in some cases caused harm .

If it worked they would use it

You remind me of that lady at 46 sec

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yJD1Iw...ature=youtu.be

He said NEAR 100% IF treated within the first 5 days.

Again....the studies that show an insignificant difference are studies of HCQ only. No one claimed to have had wild success with HCQ only. It's the zinc that is most important. HCQ is only necessary to increase intracellular zinc. Treating Covid with HCQ alone makes zero sense.

Don't condescend until you get this basic premise.

And the only studies which have shown harm were studies which used excessive doses in very late-stage treatments.

Here's an interesting tidbit from the global database of HCQ Covid studies (hcqmeta.com):

There is evidence of bias towards publishing negative results. 77% of prospective studies report positive effects, compared to 72% of retrospective studies. Studies from North America are 3.1 times more likely to report negative results than studies from the rest of the world combined, p = 0.0000000081.


46% of studies in North America reported positive effects, compared to 90% in South America, 84% in Asia, 83% in Europe, 80% in Africa and 76% in the Middle East.

Nothing to see there.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Raidersofthecellar is doing a ****ing perfect "Pete" impression. Well done! Just keep making yourself look dumb as hell and ignore what everyone else is saying, then call them idiots for not listening to shit that was discussed like a year ago or more.

You're probably the type of guy who has a hearty laugh when somebody refers to the US as an oligarchy. Your type will always take the propaganda bait hook, line and sinker.

Rag on me all you want, but I'm not saying anything that isn't echoed by Dr Mercola, Bobby Kennedy Jr, or a hundred other prominent individuals who know far more about these subjects than anybody here.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

You're probably the type of guy who has a hearty laugh when somebody refers to the US as an oligarchy. Your type will always take the propaganda bait hook, line and sinker.



Rag on me all you want, but I'm not saying anything that isn't echoed by Dr Mercola, Bobby Kennedy Jr, or a hundred other prominent individuals who know far more about these subjects than anybody here.

[Fish]

Bobby Kennedy Jr.

[Bearcat]

I had to Google the Mercola guy and holy shit, I've never seen someone's wiki entry so thoroughly lambaste them within the introduction.

Damn those greedy bastard vaccine manufacturers, what about this wholesome guy who's just trying to save the plane---

Mercola was one of the partners in a website called "Stop Covid Cold" offering advice to the public on preventing and treating Covid-19 with alternative remedies. The website includes links to Mercola's online store...

It's always nice when, at the end of a long day of playing "is this guy being stupid on purpose", they wave a huge troll flag with a post that in no way could be anything but trolling.... it's good to have closure on these things.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I had to Google the Mercola guy and holy shit, I've never seen someone's wiki entry so thoroughly lambaste them within the introduction.

Damn those greedy bastard vaccine manufacturers, what about this wholesome guy who's just trying to save the plane---




It's always nice when, at the end of a long day of playing "is this guy being stupid on purpose", they wave a huge troll flag with a post that in no way could be anything but trolling.... it's good to have closure on these things.

Gotta love "guy who talks condescendingly about topic after a 45-second Google search."

Big Tech site has bad things to say about a guy who criticizes the vaccines? Ya don't say....

It's also a huge shock that a doc who has long promoted natural health and sold supplements would sell immune-boosting supplements during a pandemic. That rotten MF's quercetin sales would probably make Pfizer's CEO sob with jealousy.

The Covid vaccine is categorized as an unprecedented vaccine. Others in this category were HIV and malaria. An unprecedented vaccine takes a minimum of 12-15 years to put into production. And even then, after it goes through phase 2 and 3 clinical trials, the rate of effectiveness is about 2%. Legit experts know that it's technically impossible to produce a safe and effective vaccine in under a year.

Schmucks like you believe it has a 95% rate of effectiveness and little to no risk.

P.S. Pfizer sez it's critical for you to get a third shot. Chop chop.

[suzzer99]

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Gotta love "guy who talks condescendingly about topic after a 45-second Google search."

Big Tech site has bad things to say about a guy who criticizes the vaccines? Ya don't say....

It's also a huge shock that a doc who has long promoted natural health and sold supplements would sell immune-boosting supplements during a pandemic. That rotten MF's quercetin sales would probably make Pfizer's CEO sob with jealousy.

The Covid vaccine is categorized as an unprecedented vaccine. Others in this category were HIV and malaria. An unprecedented vaccine takes a minimum of 12-15 years to put into production. And even then, after it goes through phase 2 and 3 clinical trials, the rate of effectiveness is about 2%. Legit experts know that it's technically impossible to produce a safe and effective vaccine in under a year.

Schmucks like you believe it has a 95% rate of effectiveness and little to no risk.

P.S. Pfizer sez it's critical for you to get a third shot. Chop chop.

When 99% of the people that die are unvaccinated, then any of your whackadoodle arguments mean absolutely nothing. Legit experts? Like the people who made the ****ing vaccine weren't legit experts?

Bobby Kennedy Jr. "Legit expert on vaccine safety"

You're just looking more braindead each time you post. Idiot.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

When 99% of the people that die are unvaccinated, then any of your whackadoodle arguments mean absolutely nothing. Legit experts? Like the people who made the ****ing vaccine weren't legit experts?

Bobby Kennedy Jr. "Legit expert on vaccine safety"

You're just looking more braindead each time you post. Idiot.

It doesn't seem fair that Covid appears to be disproportionately attacking the unvaccinated.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Gotta love "guy who talks condescendingly about topic after a 45-second Google search."

Big Tech site has bad things to say about a guy who criticizes the vaccines? Ya don't say....

It's also a huge shock that a doc who has long promoted natural health and sold supplements would sell immune-boosting supplements during a pandemic. That rotten MF's quercetin sales would probably make Pfizer's CEO sob with jealousy.

The Covid vaccine is categorized as an unprecedented vaccine. Others in this category were HIV and malaria. An unprecedented vaccine takes a minimum of 12-15 years to put into production. And even then, after it goes through phase 2 and 3 clinical trials, the rate of effectiveness is about 2%. Legit experts know that it's technically impossible to produce a safe and effective vaccine in under a year.

Schmucks like you believe it has a 95% rate of effectiveness and little to no risk.

P.S. Pfizer sez it's critical for you to get a third shot. Chop chop.

Let’s say you managed to convince everyone here , they are still not going to recommend it and not because there is a global conspiracy to line big pharma’s pockets but because it doesn’t make a difference .

What are your qualifications is medicine that you would be even able to tell who would qualify as a legit expert .

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by DaFace

We can always trust you to chime in with an irrelevant snipe at people for no reason.

look in the mirror.

there is a reason it's called two cents.

between us we don't have a plug nickel.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by stevieray

look in the mirror.

there is a reason it's called two cents.

between us we don't have a plug nickel.

Someone's gonna have to explain to me what this means.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Someone's gonna have to explain to me what this means.

both sides can throw in their two cents


but overall it's pretty worthless because if you add both sides together you don't even have a nickel