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He's tired of worrying about how he measures up in the eyes of people who aren't even there for him in an open honest way like Marco was. |
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04-07-2015, 01:06 AM | #528 | |
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04-07-2015, 01:36 AM | #530 | ||
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But after Chuck's admission, Jimmy fully accepts that he's the "scumbag" that Chuck thinks he is. He isn't even willing to try to dispute that premise throughout this episode and makes choices that only confirm it. And with his strength of will and ambition being taken away too, there is no coming back for him. His transformation into Saul Goodman was assured the day his brother turned his back on him. |
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04-07-2015, 02:03 AM | #531 | |
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Seriously though, it's pretty clear that Jimmy, whether he knew it or not, chafed under the yoke of 'I ****ed up, but Chuck saved me, so we're doing things his way from now on' ever since the Chicago sunroof. It ties back into Mike's discussion with the drug nerd in Pimento. 'Criminal' 'straight arrow' 'slipping Jimmy,' those labels come from things you DO. But each moment is a new opportunity to define who you ARE. ANd he decided in the courthouse parking lot to take full ownership of who he is going forward instead of accepting what others have decided it's proper he be. |
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04-07-2015, 02:14 AM | #532 | |
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04-07-2015, 02:23 AM | #534 |
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Really?
Main character is a puppy, pining eternally for big brother's love. But big brother doesn't respect him, and this devastates Main character, so now he's a sad sack loser. The End. Awesome Story Bro. Jimmy doesn't give a SHIT if big bro believes in him. He's not devastated by any of this. It's been a bummer, but it has liberated him from from his prior role of ****-up little bro who needs guidance, allowing him to decide for himself his own code. |
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04-07-2015, 02:58 AM | #536 | |
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The situation obviously is not anywhere near as black and white as you facetiously describe here. Jimmy is an ambiguous, layered character with multiple motivations (such as a desire for freedom, for instance). He's not some kind of good guy who turned bad just because his brother didn't respect him. But if you can't acknowledge that the relationship between these two brothers that the writers focused on all season (and its breakdown which culminated in the emotional climax of the season) had an impact on the choice that Jimmy made, that's pretty incredible. And then to say that he isn't at all devastated or doesn't care what Chuck thinks of him (especially after that display last week)...have you even been paying attention? |
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04-07-2015, 03:21 AM | #537 | |
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I honestly don't wish to belabor this, but it's too evident for me to cave on it either. He doesn't think he's worthless, or a piece of shit, or incapable of productivity, simply because of Chuck's disapproval reveal. On the contrary, he's on a '**** these squares, I know right from wrong as it works for me' kick, that reflects MORE estimation of his own self-worth than previous. Sure, he's bummed that his brother has let him down. But it's not like Chuck is the Death Star and Jimmy's entire self-worth is/was Alderaan. The 'emotional climax' spurred Jimmy to re-think some shit, and re-prioritize. But devastate is an inapposite characterization. Jimmy's still a big boy, just not as trusting or validation seeking as he was before. But perhaps I'm not differentiating with sufficient clarity. http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/06...netflix-sketch I pretty much agree with everything Bob had to say on the matter [recognizing even he is not the final authority]. Last edited by Baby Lee; 04-07-2015 at 03:37 AM.. |
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Walt and Saul are very similar.
Being bad makes them feel alive, and when given the choice between doing the right thing (Dark Matter for Walt, Santa Fe job for Saul), they choose the life of excitement because in the end that's who they really are. |
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04-07-2015, 10:10 AM | #539 | |
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Jimmy is more of a traditional antihero, a true mixture of good and bad. He's displayed far more compassion, charity, and ethical behavior in 10 episodes than Walt did in 60+. He ultimately embraces his dark side because that's all he's ever been told he is. Basically, Jimmy becomes Saul as a result of a shame spiral; Walt becomes Heisenberg because it's an opportunity to create a fiefdom. |
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