***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

I don’t think the vaccine is useless though. Regardless if you get covid, your symptoms are much less regardless. Even if 162 cases happened to those vaccinated

Agreed. I think you can do the same calculations but with different criteria for counting. Did they get it, was it serious, were they hospitalized, were they in ICU, did they die? Each one can be calculated the same way, but with different comparative counts.

[NotDonger]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

If the vaccine was useless, you'd expect 162 cases in that group, right? And if the vaccine was 100 percent effective, you'd expect zero. What would you expect if the vaccine was 50 percent effective? 81.

If my thinking is correct, if the number of placebo participants and the number of vaccinated participants who developed COVID-19 were equal, the efficacy would be 0% Go from there, math-wise.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by NotDonger

If my thinking is correct, if the number of placebo participants and the number of vaccinated participants who developed COVID-19 were equal, the efficacy would be 0% Go from there, math-wise.

Yep. Assuming the groups are the same size.

[O.city]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/80-of-...spaces-report/

Looks like vaccination definitely slows transmission

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://www.timesofisrael.com/80-of-...spaces-report/

Looks like vaccination definitely slows transmission

At this point with what we know you pretty much have to be moron to argue against the benefits of the vaccine in regards to your health , community health, economy but people will cherry pick what they want I guess .

[Chief Roundup]

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...39&oe=61245803

Greene County also has asked for an area hotel to be converted to a stand-alone alternate medical site to offer acute care or serve as a step-down unit for Covid-19 patients. That request has been submitted to federal emergency management officials, Parson's office said.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...39&oe=61245803

Greene County also has asked for an area hotel to be converted to a stand-alone alternate medical site to offer acute care or serve as a step-down unit for Covid-19 patients. That request has been submitted to federal emergency management officials, Parson's office said.

Delta kicked us in the teeth up here as well in the spring, we just went to phase 3 and cases are going up a bit locally a 2 weeks in .

74% one dose
64% fully Vaxxed but we haven’t had a lot of natural infection, we locked down early.
150k pop in district 650 cases ,8 deaths.

[O.city]

It looks (hopefully) like cases have peaked here in sw mo

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by O.city

It looks (hopefully) like cases have peaked here in sw mo

Mercy is not acting that way at all.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Mercy is not acting that way at all.

Of course they aren't. Their job requires them to always look at the worst case scenario.

[TLO]

Very anecdotal and means nothing but I've known more perk people that have gotten covid in the last month than all of last year

[wazu]

Originally Posted by TLO

Very anecdotal and means nothing but I've known more perk people that have gotten covid in the last month than all of last year

That's what they get for being so damn perky.

[suzzer99]

32yo cystic fibrosis patient, fully vaccinated, but immune compromised due to double lung transplant ~18months ago. I withdrew care on her yesterday. She got to breath freely for a whole year and a half before covid wrecked her new lungs. Oh and it was her brother that gave her covid. He told the family he was vaccinated so he could come to a 4th of July bbq. No idea if he was telling the truth about being vaxxed.

My hospital is getting absolutely wrecked yet again. Every hospital in the area is trying to divert patients, but there is nowhere to divert to. My ICUs are full, all elective surgeries are canceled, and the ER is a boarding house for covids on high flow O2 and bipap. There isn’t any room in the hospital to put them.

Yep still in WA. Our MICU went from a normal but unseasonably busy ICU with a couple covid patients two weeks ago to a covid ICU. We literally moved the last general medical patient out yesterday and filled that room with another covid.

From an ICU doctor who works in Western WA. It isn't just MO.

When asked if his patients were unvaxxed:

All but the one I mentioned above. At least of the ones who get to the icu.

[carlos3652]

Had to take my child in for croup to children’s mercy urgent care, our nurse talked about how bad it has been for respiratory issues lately. They test all the children for Covid and none have hit positive so far so they are truly respiratory viruses running rampant.

They are making a comeback after being non existent last winter.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

Had to take my child in for croup to children’s mercy urgent care, our nurse talked about how bad it has been for respiratory issues lately. They test all the children for Covid and none have hit positive so far so they are truly respiratory viruses running rampant.

They are making a comeback after being non existent last winter.

Yeah, the wife has sent tons of kids to the ER with RSV.