***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Hydrae

That is nicely done. Looking through that data I just want to know what Germany is doing differently and what France is doing so wrong:

Germany
Confirmed: 7,974
Deaths: 20
Recovered: 67
Serious: 0

France
Confirmed: 6,633
Deaths: 148
Recovered: 12
Serious: 300

Germans tend to be very disciplined and regimented.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Your posts helped me yesterday. We'll get thru it man. Keep moving forward.

We're a ****ing tough species. We act like we're not but when shit hits the fan, we rise. We'll figure this thing out.

I got hooked on the first 3-4 seasons of The West Wing years ago. I'll occasionally dust them off when I want to watch something I only sorta pay attention to (because if I'm really watching it, I get annoyed by how preachy it is).

In either event, I had it on a couple weeks ago and heard a great line - something of a throwaway - that I had never picked up on before:



"People have phenomenal capacity..."

It's just so...simple. It's fundamental is a lot of ways. And man oh man do we often lose sight of it.

Maybe it takes a triggering event every decade or so to keep it more at the forefront of our consciousness, but man we can take a LOT and keep punching.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Hydrae

That is nicely done. Looking through that data I just want to know what Germany is doing differently and what France is doing so wrong:

Germany
Confirmed: 7,974
Deaths: 20
Recovered: 67
Serious: 0

France
Confirmed: 6,633
Deaths: 148
Recovered: 12
Serious: 300

I don't quite understand it either. Germany is also very old in population, albeit not quite as old as Italy. Also Japan is the oldest avg age population in the world. They aren't really even testing people much, like us, and they don't seem to be having terrible results yet. Perhaps they are just ignoring it and it's about to blow up.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I think this states my opinion about it well:

A school Superintendent said something profound in his address cancelling school for the next 3 weeks. “In the end, it will be impossible to know if we overreacted or did too much, but it will be QUITE apparent if we under reacted or did too little.”

Hear those words my friends.

— Douglas Massengill, Ed.D. (@drmassen) March 14, 2020

Yep, we'll never know, and many people will say that it was "just like the flu" after all.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I got hooked on the first 3-4 seasons of The West Wing years ago. I'll occasionally dust them off when I want to watch something I only sorta pay attention to (because if I'm really watching it, I get annoyed by how preachy it is).

In either event, I had it on a couple weeks ago and heard a great line - something of a throwaway - that I had never picked up on before:



"People have phenomenal capacity..."

It's just so...simple. It's fundamental is a lot of ways. And man oh man do we often lose sight of it.

Maybe it takes a triggering event every decade or so to keep it more at the forefront of our consciousness, but man we can take a LOT and keep punching.

We realize we have no choice. There's no other option. Can't quit.

We'll get thru it.

When you turn lose the ingenuity and intelligence of our collective world, they'll figure this ****er out. Be it a vaccine, or treatment or something. It may knock us down. But like Rocky, we won't quit.

[O.city]

Paper by Xu on Actemra (antiIL6-R) for COVID19. ‘20 severe patients given it Feb 5-14. Fever gone and all other symptoms improved remarkably. No adverse reactions. Nineteen patients were discharged. This is an effective treatment in severe patients.https://t.co/1GzD7feOE7

— Luke O'Neill (@laoneill111) March 17, 2020

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Work is dead so far.

I bet all the chiropractors closed for a couple weeks.

I can't imagine dentists are begging to go to work either...

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I can't imagine dentists are begging to go to work either...

You would be surprised. Especially if you're a cash payer.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

You would be surprised. Especially if you're a cash payer.

What the hell do they do? They have no choice but be all up in your face and mouth with slobber everywhere...

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I do. It's got an ignition gremlin right now that I can't quite get a handle on. Starter motor works just fine but every now and again the ignition just decides it doesn't care to work. I get a click and nothing else. Battery is plenty strong so it's not that. When it's misbehaving like that I get real nervous about getting stranded.

Also a minor fuel pickup problem that creates issues if I try to put it into a corner with any degree of aggression. Not sure how I'll address that but I'm confident it will be a pain in the ass. The Fuel Injection conversion made it 1,000 times more driveable but has created a few of those little issues w/ the ECU and fuel system (had to move the fuel pump, etc...). I limped her through the last month of driving season figuring I'll fix it in the spring.

But no worries - the new truck is a !@#$ing cadillac with a bed on it (2020 Ram Limited) and the sooner I get the lumber rack re-built, the sooner I can get all this shit off my shop floor and build a new miter saw table/hood and feed table for my jointer. Once that's done I can run a couple new trunks for the dust collector and with the new layout it'll increase the shops functionality quite a bit. I'll just be happy to not have that damn miter saw not shooting sawdust everywhere.

I mean it's just hard to explain to people right now "no, I'm not sick - I'm just a poorly prepared amateur woodworker who's shop is full of particulate and you ****ers stole all the shop masks thinking that a home depot particulate mask will do ANYTHING for viral spread. So presently my lungs are full of pine dust and i'm just gonna have to hack that up for awhile. Sorry..."

I can relate. We moved into a new place nearly a year ago, it has an addition with a 3rd garage and shop in the back of it, and I still haven't got it to where I can function back there. Whatever I want to use is always blocked by several other things because I can't put up permanent shelving and cabinets until I get it wired, insulated and drywalled. And I keep trying to organize better and all I end up doing is forgetting where I moved things to and spend most of my time looking for them. But at least the car runs without issue at the moment so I can say **** it and go blow off steam if necessary.

Anyway...trying to stay on topic, the coronavirus will likely kill me before I ever get it the way I want it. I should have just taken up fishing instead.

[BWillie]

I'm wondering if it is safe to eat take-out. I don't know if I can do this cooking shit much longer being someone who is used to eating out every single meal.

Take out from Chipotle, Panda, maybe Longhorn, Outback shit like that. Just hoping the workers are taking proper precautions when they are preparing the meal.

[Marcellus]

Curious as to why this hasn't seemed to have hammered any prison populations in Washington or NY.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I'm wondering if it is safe to eat take-out. I don't know if I can do this cooking shit much longer being someone who is used to eating out every single meal.

Take out from Chipotle, Panda, maybe Longhorn, Outback shit like that. Just hoping the workers are taking proper precautions when they are preparing the meal.

Nothing will ever be 100% safe, but takeout should be pretty good. Restaurants are subject to regular health inspections, after all, so in theory they should already be following best practices.

I'd guess that the outsides of packaging are the most iffy. So wash your hands after you dish the food out and before you eat if you want to be extra careful.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by BWillie

We should all go vegan, then, too then with that logic because diseases can easily spread as well at American our tightly enclosed chicken & pig farms. It already has.

Also, it's not just eating bats. Bats can leave droppings passing to pigs, cattle, chickens etc. I read that they believe a bat passed this to a pangolin and that is how Covid-19 is thought to have initially spread.

The difference is that they eat raw and live animal markets there which is unique to their culture. Slaughtering animals such as pigs, chickens, cows and really any animal and cooking them is not unique to any one culture.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I don't know if I can do this cooking shit much longer being someone who is used to eating out every single meal.