***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Again misdiagnosis is not always due to any malpractice or human error. Body doesn’t always follow the rules.

Things effect people differently.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Those people often delay healthcare because they think they’re healthy, a lot of pathology doesn’t care how healthy you think you are.

Think is the key word.

[cookster50]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I bet some seventh-day adventists knocked on their door or something.

But that is indeed curious. I wonder if the virus was on a frozen food or something that got defrosted.

That's a very strange reference to jump to, someone hurt you lately?

[Katipan]

Originally Posted by cookster50

That's a very strange reference to jump to, someone hurt you lately?

Pretty sure that was a reference to how determined they are.

Some Druid read your tea leaves wrong lately?

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

I will be okay. Because I'm vaccinated. I know what I'm supposed to do is not care if the unvaccinated die because of their idiotic decisions but gosh I guess I'm just having a hard time letting you all suffer the consequences of disinformation but the more you talk the more I'm becoming okay with it.

If it wasn’t for children and the possibility of a vaccine-resistant strain, I would give zero ****s if Idiot America opts to get sick and die unnecessarily.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Those people often delay healthcare because they think they’re healthy, a lot of pathology doesn’t care how healthy you think you are.

Which is why the lockdowns were terrible for other non-Covid health outcomes.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson

If it wasn’t for children and the possibility of a vaccine-resistant strain, I would give zero ****s if Idiot America opts to get sick and die unnecessarily.

Why would you be concerned with children when the science says that they are basically zero risk? Because your feels told you so?

There is no science that points at the possibility of a vaccine resistant strain with Covid either.

And unfortunate for your wishes, the death rate is still falling just like cases, even with the Delta boogy man out there.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Why would you be concerned with children when the science says that they are basically zero risk? Because your feels told you so?

There is no science that points at the possibility of a vaccine resistant strain with Covid either.

And unfortunate for your wishes, the death rate is still falling just like cases, even with the Delta boogy man out there.

Possibility of a resistant strain? Sure, thats always possible, be it unlikely.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Which is why the lockdowns were terrible for other non-Covid health outcomes.

sure, but vaccine hesitancy, anti mask propaganda, and just people not listening to the recommendations also contributed to need for lockdowns.

[TLO]

Hospitalizations with another little bump in our area again today.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Monticore

sure, but vaccine hesitancy, anti mask propaganda, and just people not listening to the recommendations also contributed to need for lockdowns.

You're getting your order wrong here.

The lockdowns happened long before the vaccines.


The masks were supposed to prevent lockdowns. They didn't.

Hey everyone remember when CDC said mask mandates could prevent lockdowns cause masks were so effective?

In the 10000th example of that assertion being utterly incompetent & inaccurate, Bangladesh is locking down, stranding thousands of people

Masks work though, cause CDC says! pic.twitter.com/Ky2ZKvtGPw

— IM (@ianmSC) June 28, 2021

[ChiTown]

I wear masks on airplanes, and that is about it. God help me, but I'm done caring about this shit. I've been fully vaxxed for a while and I just can't hardly find it in me to GAF about Covid or people who are worried about Covid any longer.

[TLO]

I believe some info was posted on this earlier, but it's worth repeating.

Pfizer and Moderna Vaccines Likely to Produce Lasting Immunity, Study Finds

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...l%3f0p19G=2103

[BigCatDaddy]

Mask mandates and lock downs were reeruned on many levels. Vaccinations on the other hand..it's reeruned to not get one, especially among high risk people..yeah..your body your choice to be an idiot.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Mask mandates and lock downs were reeruned on many levels. Vaccinations on the other hand..it's reeruned to not get one, especially among high risk people..yeah..your body your choice to be an idiot.

But they don't care about the age-stratification of risk.

The focus is vaccinate everyone. Kids (NY Times pushing kids to get them without parental consent), people who already had Covid. Just get the numbers up!

The vaccine "hesitant" ( a marketing phrase to make people sound wishy-washy) aren't mostly people over 70 with 3 comorbidities.

They are people younger than 50 who don't care or already had Covid.