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Old 11-21-2017, 04:16 PM  
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David Carr " Chiefs have higher upside with Mahomes"
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Yet, here we are looking at the same Kansas City Chiefs offense we've seen year after year.



The Chiefs have made three playoff appearances since Reid took over as head coach in 2013, losing once in the wild-card game (2013) and twice in the divisional round (2015, 2016). I'm a fan of Reid and quarterback Alex Smith, but with the way things are right now, they'll be sitting at home while Pittsburgh and New England duke it out on Championship Sunday.

I was Smith's teammate in San Francisco for one year (2010) and I got to know him well. When the weather starts playing a bigger factor in games late in the season, he's not a guy who can make tough throws in tough conditions. He's particular and wants the football a certain way. The colder the weather the firmer the ball and other conditions make the ball slippery. It's really hard to play in inclement weather as a quarterback, yet there are some guys -- like Brett Favre -- who could grab a ball out of a bucket of water or pile of mud and hurl it downfield. But everybody's not like that, including Smith. The conditions have to be right and the running game has to be there. As we've witnessed throughout his career, Smith isn't often going to transcend an offense and win a game on huge throws -- a frequent critique. He's just not that type of quarterback.

Early in the season, we saw Smith make those big plays and the Chiefs were rolling. We've seen downfield shots slowly digress as the season's gone on, a trend that goes back to at least the past two seasons. Since 2015, Smith has been far more effective throwing the ball down field (20-pus air yards) through the Chiefs' first eight games than he has in their final eight, completing more passes (42.1 percent vs. 36.7 percent) with a better TD-to-INT ratio (8:0 vs. 2:4) and a significantly higher passer rating (124.3 vs. 63.1).

Furthermore, since Smith's first year with the Chiefs in 2013, his passer rating on pass attempts of more than 20 yards has fallen off in the second half of the season.

September: 92.0
October: 111.1
November: 63.5
Dec.-Jan.: 68.8

The Chiefs' high-flying offense started to stall after the Steelers exposed a weakness in Week 6. Pittsburgh played more zone coverage and allowed them to throw the ball underneath by respecting the ability of Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce to make things happen downfield. In addition, the run game hasn't been as effective the last five games (the Chiefs are 1-4 in that stretch), averaging 81 rush yards per game. That's 70 yards per game fewer than Kansas City put up in its first five games (all wins). In my opinion, Smith needs the run game to improve or we'll likely see him continue to struggle throwing the ball downfield as this season progresses.

I know this sounds crazy, but there's a case for Patrick Mahomes, who played well in the preseason, to start in place of Smith as the playoffs near. The Chiefs gave up a third-rounder and next year's first to draft Mahomes, viewing him as their franchise quarterback of the future. He's a gunslinger who adds another dimension in the pass game when a) the weather worsens, and b) they're trying to go head to head with the AFC's best offenses.

It's definitely possible the Chiefs could find themselves in a Nathan Peterman situation, especially if they don't handle the timing of the switch well. We don't know. What I do know, though, is we can expect the same ending to the Chiefs' story if they don't change up their cast of characters.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-limits-chiefs
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Old 01-01-2018, 04:30 PM   #511
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YOU GUYS are the ones comparing, you just don't like it when it gets flipped back on you.
Thats because its stupid to hold a guy in his first start missing every one of the teams weapons to the same standards as a 13 year vet that played all year with them.
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Old 01-01-2018, 04:31 PM   #512
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We're supposed to be disappointed
...who is disappointed?
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Old 01-01-2018, 04:32 PM   #513
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We're supposed to be disappointed that Mahomes led KC to a 3 point win in Denver when Denver played more starters?

And Mahomes goes for 284 in his first start? And gets his first GWD?

Okay. Gonna be a great career of this is "disappointment"
I think the point being is that the Broncos are horrible. I know it and you know it and it's almost as if you think it's going to shatter Mahomes confidence if we all tell him that.

Paxton better than Brady
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Old 01-01-2018, 04:33 PM   #514
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Thats because its stupid to hold a guy in his first start missing every one of the teams weapons to the same standards as a 13 year vet that played all year with them.
You play to win the game, regardless of who is starting.

Longevity has nothing to do with it.
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You play to win the game, regardless of who is starting.

Longevity has nothing to do with it.
you aren't making sense here today stevie


But hey he DID win the game.

Im not sure alex could have in the same situation
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Old 01-01-2018, 04:34 PM   #516
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I think the point being is that the Broncos are horrible. I know it and you know it and it's almost as if you think it's going to shatter Mahomes confidence if we all tell him that.

Paxton better than Brady
Kirk Cousins scored 27 vs. Denver. At Home. With his starters

But Mahomes is a criticized for "barely beating" the Broncos?

Cousins was supported by his starting defense. Mahomes defense yesterday was a preseason lineup
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Yeah he "barely eeked by a Paxton lynch 5-10 Broncos team" without the teams 1000+ yard wr, 1000+ yard TE, all pro corner, best all around linebacker in the nfl, the teams starting nt, and one run from the league's leading rusher. All in his first start ever, and he was saddled with terrible starting field position all day long to boot.

And then we have to hear about how lucky "he was for the d to score 6 to save the day" but all of you guys conveniently seem to leave out that he wouldn't have needed that if bray hadn't cluster ****ed a hand off.

AND THEN he comes back into the game and drives us right down the field to win the game.

I can't see how anyone can complain about anything.
Oh and I should probably add in that he had sat 15 weeks without any game action
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YOU GUYS are the ones comparing, you just don't like it when it gets flipped back on you.
No we are being realistic. Blasting a guy starting his first NFL game is ludicrous.

Blasting a 13 year QB for doing this shit is completely acceptable.
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Old 01-01-2018, 04:39 PM   #519
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Lynch actually played better than I was expecting. He may have some potential.Looked better than any Donkey QB did earlier this season.
True enough, he looked better than I expected, better than any other time I've seen him this year anyway
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No we are being realistic. Blasting a guy starting his first NFL game is ludicrous.
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Nobody is blasting the guy, you are over reacting.

Chiefs present and future is bright.
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I can't debate this ignorant shit anymore today... Mahomes killed it yesterday given the circumstances. Don't believe me? Watch the A-Team live video from last night where they talked about how much Andy praised his all around performance and handling of the offense.
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Im not sure alex could have in the same situation
You don't know that.

Hunts 35 yard TD?

Talib quit on that play.
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....and still made the playoffs.
No idea why you are doing this to yourself.

I have caught a metric ton of shit for supporting Smith over the years.

After sitting through the Pitt playoff game last year I had had enough Alex Smith heart break.

Then I got to see Mahomes drafted and play. Holy shit.

You dont have to hate Smith to realize Mahomes is next level. Wasting your time hoping Smith comes back is an exercise in futility I dont understand why a person would put themselves through that.

We have a once in a life time talented QB in the wings and you are busy arguing Smith should be back. What a waste of a persons time.

And this is coming from a guy going to the game Saturday expecting to see the first playoff win at Arrowhead in 30 years.

You can be excited about Mahomes and want him to start while rooting for Smith to play well in the playoffs. But damn man be realistic.
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Mahomes upside is twice what Carr's is now. Patrick made some poor decisions yesterday but not nearly as many as most rookies do in their 1st game. Mahomes has HOF-level potential but we'll just have to wait and see what level he ends up at.
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I can't debate this ignorant shit anymore today... Mahomes killed it yesterday given the circumstances. Don't believe me? Watch the A-Team live video from last night where they talked about how much Andy praised his all around performance and handling of the offense.
I dont need to watch anything aside from the game last night. Kid is ready to go, right now. There is no downside.
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