Clark Hunt, Brett Veach & Andy Reid press conference

[RunKC]

Clark Hunt-10:30 AM
Brett Veach-11 AM
Andy Reid-3 PM

This should be entertaining..

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Go ahead and quote my posts in this thread that are off topic.

Cut the shit.. you're a forum agitator and you know it. You want to call me a mouth-drooling Mongo..go ahead. Just dont cry when that energy is directed back as you..you invited it.

Tom Waits has a quote "selling wolf tickets"...and that's what you do. Own it...that's what a real winner in life would do.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Cut the shit.. you're a forum agitator and you know it. You want to call me a mouth-drooling Mongo..go ahead. Just dont cry when that energy is directed back as you..you invited it.

Tom Waits has a quote "selling wolf tickets"...and that's what you do. Own it...that's what a real winner in life would do.

And once again, you've failed to address your own claims.

Go away.

[BlackOp]

I'm just impressed you made a post without calling someone a moron...

I have a book for you..dont worry, it's a quick read.

[Nickhead]

without

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by Nickhead

without

it's late...*fixed

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

I'm just impressed you made a post without calling someone a moron...

I have a book for you..dont worry, it's a quick read.

Please update your account to enable 3rd party hosting is a tight book title

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Please update your account to enable 3rd party hosting is a tight book title

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Cochise

I think Clark is a lot more complacent than the average Planeteer, but not the average Chiefs fan. He's pretty well in tune with them.

The average 260lber out there on Sunday mornings is happy if the team wins more than they lose and the games are fun to attend. (You can often spot them proudly wearing their AFC West Champions gear). And with that crowd happy, there's a lot of pressure taken off Clark to demand more than losing records in the postseason.

Clark hasn't seemed to have a 'Super Bowl or bust' attitude toward the team. He seems to prefer finding someone like Marty or Reid, who will assure you of a decent output of regular season wins, and hope they can one day add a player or two and ride a string of luck through the postseason.

The thing is, this doesn't work. You need to have a culture wholly focused top to bottom on the Super Bowl, not one that is focused on staying competitive and if you get to a Super Bowl some year that's great too.

Building that sort of New England/Pittsburgh/etc culture of stability and building a consistently Super Bowl contending franchise above all else starts with that being the mindset of ownership.

We don't have that type of leadership philosophy here it seems, given the revolving doors in the FO and complacency with the head coach.

Truth.

If I recall correctly, there was a time not too long ago when you were every bit as much of a buy-in on the Chiefs moves and ways as several of the board's now current crop of vehement Reid/Clark fans.
If this be the case, I congratulate you on stepping up when it has become apparent to you that this franchise has been and continues to practice some very strong, self-defeating methods and choices.

[RunKC]

Clark doesn't want to win and won't make the decisions to do so?

"The Chiefs have traded with the Buffalo Bills for the 10th pick. With the 10th pick, the Kansas City Chiefs select Patrick Mahomes II."

What about that tells you we don't want to win? If this was said any time before April I would see your point, but now?

FFS

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Truth.

If I recall correctly, there was a time not too long ago when you were every bit as much of a buy-in on the Chiefs moves and ways as several of the board's now current crop of vehement Reid/Clark fans.
If this be the case, I congratulate you on stepping up when it has become apparent to you that this franchise has been and continues to practice some very strong, self-defeating methods and choices.

When Clark took over, I cheered along with everyone else that he got rid of Carl. It was the end of absentee ownership, we thought, and Clark broke the bank to hire what was universally agreed to be the best candidate on the market. There was virtually zero opposition to the Pioli hire.

When it was long past clear that Pioli needed to be fired and Clark was holding out, I was one of the people screaming along with everyone else that the decision looked right at the time but had gone terribly, terribly wrong and he needed to be fired post haste. The writing had been on the wall, yet Hunt didn't make a move until there as an unprecedented fan rebellion and the franchise had been run completely into the ground.

Then he hired Dorsey. Again, Clark goes out and spends money on the best GM candidate available. He seems very much to be investing in the team and wanting to change to a football-first culture. He was wrong about Pioli but he seems to have made a great hire again. The fans, myself included, all cheerfully give him a mulligan.

Then he hires Reid. Not a thrilling candidate, not someone who had done anything in the postseason in the last decade, a Marty-like hire. But at least Dorsey and Reid together are a path back to respectability and something we can build on.

Both of them perform fairly well. Reid's hand-picked QB holds us back, but we get a return to contention for playoff spots, which is good. Not contending for anything beyond that, but it's better than before. Perhaps Reid will change, or Dorsey will continue raising the level of the roster until we get over the hump.

But Reid doesn't change. Going into his 5th year, we still have no playoff wins against quality, playoff-worthy opponents. Reid continually hurts the team on game day and in some instances blows games himself. The team is aging on defense and needs to reload. But we finally draft a QB. Maybe this is finally what gets us over the hump. There's hope again.

Then Dorsey is suddenly fired, for reasons no one in the organization can credibly articulate. Reid, who has never been good enough to get over the hump, is given a long-term contract. Ballard is gone. Others are gone. A green GM from down in the organization is promoted but not really given oversight over football, only personnel. Power has left the most competent individuals we had in the organization and landed on Reid's desk.

Explain how this makes the team better? Unless you're a total True Fan you're left wondering why Clark decided to allow the entire Front Office to turn over when things were going well.

Clark had some capital at first by getting rid of Peterson and making two big time GM hires, but now it just looks like he doesn't know what he's doing and he retains and/or fires people based on things other than football.

Until ownership focuses entirely on what happens between the chalk, we aren't going to win championships.

Where do we go from here? Mahomes. If he turns into a great QB, it will cover a multitude of sins. Maybe even a coach like Andy Reid who doesn't win in the postseason can get over the hump if he lands a generational QB.

If he doesn't work out, we're going to be right back where we started with a housecleaning and a rebuild again. Mahomes was a good risk. I just hope we are putting him in a position to succeed.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Cochise

But Reid doesn't change. Going into his 5th year, we still have no playoff wins against quality, playoff-worthy opponents.

Funny how for years everyone said they would be happy if we just finally won a playoff game after 20+ years. So we did. Now you guys have moved the bar. I truly believe some of you will never be satisfied. Now its "playoff-worthy opponents", then if we beat one of them it will be something else. I think if we win the SB you guys will do the same thing, (but the NFC was weak this year so it doesn't really count!).

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by penbrook

Hunt felt like Dorsey wasn't making the Chiefs better. He believes Veach can take us to a super bowl in 3-4 years

I still think this is the most interesting/telling statement in this whole thread.

[Chiefnj2]

How can anyone conclude that Dorsey wasn't making the Chiefs better?

Dorsey DID make the Chiefs better, as did Andy.

They have apparently hit a plateau. If you ask the Planet, 80% would say Smith is the reason. You ask Hali, he'd say a lack of big name leadership. You don't really see anyone saying it is a lack of talent on the roster.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Clark said that he liked the vision that Veach had to make KC a championship team over the course of the next 2-3 years.

None of us can say for sure what that vision is, but I would say it clearly revolves around having Mahomes on his rookie deal and using that to their advantage in terms of the cap.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Ford's been a fine first round pick.

He never started more than 2 games until his 3rd year in the league.