***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[loochy]

Originally Posted by kcxiv

Looking really solid here in California. 0 deaths the last few days in L.A county. Very low positivity rate. *knocks on wood that it stays this way*

*edit* there was some today, but still its very low compared to watch it used to be.

Sounds bad. You'd better close schools and small businesses.

[WhawhaWhat]

I got my second Pfizer shot on Monday and felt very minimal flu-like side effects. Next morning I was fine.

[O.city]

India is still just getting rolled with no sign of stopping

[notorious]

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

I got my second Pfizer shot on Monday and felt very minimal flu-like side effects. Next morning I was fine.

I got the J&J Friday.

Mild headache, I could feel my lymph nodes were swollen a bit (could be allergies) and a noticeable lack of energy.

I am usually very active, but it took the edge off of my normal activities for days.

I kind of chuckled at people complaining about a sore shoulder, thinking they were just pussies, but it is true. My arm was sore for days when other shots aren't anything like that.

[dirk digler]

Pfizer had some big news yesterday. They are going to apply for full approval this month and also hopefully get EUA approved to give their vaccine to kids ages 2-11 by September. Sounds like the FDA is also about to say the vaccines are good for anyone over 12 by next week.

[phisherman]

Let's see if full approval changes anything with the anti-vaxxers.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by phisherman

Let's see if full approval changes anything with the anti-vaxxers.

Dude, of course not. I'm pretty sure that most of them are using an anti-vax stance to justify just being obstinate.

[MahomesMagic]

Don’t buy the fearmongering: The COVID-19 threat is waning
By Marty Makary

The case-fatality risk of COVID is also plummeting. That’s because a remarkable 83 percent of US seniors are now vaccinated and the virus has moved to younger, healthier people. For Americans under age 55, the case-fatality rate last month was approximately 6.5 per 10,000. Since we are now capturing as many as 1 in 4.5 infections with testing, the real-world case-fatality rate is 1 to 1.4 per 10,000, similar to influenza (1.3 per 10,000 in people under 50). And vaccines will likely provide at least some immunity against variants.

With far fewer susceptible people and a younger cohort, we’re dealing with a different risk level than even just a few months ago.

Despite this good news, Americans are being told variants and hesitancy will prevent “herd immunity.” Yet noticeably absent from their calculations is the contribution of natural immunity from prior infection or exposure. Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Rochelle Walensky simply don’t talk about the percent of Americans they estimate have natural immunity. That omission creates a perception that the race to 70 to 85 percent immunity is more desperate, resulting in a prolonged timeline, talk of vaccine mandates and an imperative that young kids get the shot.


Some experts do highlight the massive contribution of natural immunity. Dr. Scott Gottlieb, former head of the Food and Drug Administration, and Dr. Monica Gandhi at the University of California are among the many who routinely point to the broad prevalence of natural immunity.

In a recent Danish study of natural immunity, only 0.6 percent of those infected ever subsequently tested positive, including asymptomatic positives. A large California study found 38 percent of the state’s population and 45 percent of Los Angeles residents had COVID-19 antibodies in February. Given the many infections since then and the immunity conferred by activated T cells even when antibodies are not detected, upward of half the population of California likely has natural immunity. And cases in California have dropped like a rock.

On a clinical level, we simply have not seen significant re-infections at any concerning rate. Any expert who talks about the path to herd immunity as a simple tally of vaccinations alone – which unfortunately is many – is ignoring data and real-world clinical experience.



https://nypost.com/2021/05/04/dont-b...eat-is-ending/

[KCUnited]

Eyeballing a full reopening here in Chicago by 7/4. The largest auto show in the nation is returning in July and we're seeing some other festivals starting to book out as well.

[TLO]

India is getting absolutely pummeled.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by phisherman

Let's see if full approval changes anything with the anti-vaxxers.

It should help some with the ones that are hesitant. It will also enable businesses to mandate you get one as an employee.

[TLO]

Maybe India should start lobbing nukes at Chy-nuh

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by loochy

Sounds bad. You'd better close schools and small businesses.

yeah, real bad.

[sedated]

I know exactly one person that hasn't gotten at least one vax shot. All friends, family, and everyone in my office have gotten it. Really surprising how quickly everything moved after the initial logjam.

[Indian Chief]

Under 10% COVID in the daily patient census. Had been solidly 15-20% since September.