***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Hawker007]

Got the J&J shot today. Just a slight soreness in the area of the shot like you’d get with any shot. Pretty much anybody can get it now in KS if you search out small towns with over supply. They don’t want to waste it.

[commie]

Sorry for lurking

[RedRaider56]

Received my first Pfizer shot yesterday. Arm is a little sore but that is it.
I'm already scheduled to get my 2nd shot in 21 days.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by commie

Sorry for lurking

Better be, you piece of shit!

[dirk digler]

Great news in that we will have enough vaccine for everyone by May 1 with The goal to be almost fully open by July 4th.

Everyone do your part and get vaccinated

[displacedinMN]

Target offices moving out of downtown MPLS.

Moving toward an at home model

Spoiler!

Target Corp.'s decision to vacate its City Center offices in downtown Minneapolis jolted the Twin Cities commercial real estate industry Thursday as building managers brace for more upsets and other tenants big and small consider "remote work" models that will shrink office space needs.

Target informed the City Center's general manager — Minneapolis-based Ryan Cos. — early Thursday that it planned to permanently use a hybrid remote work model for 3,500 workers and would no longer need the 985,000 square feet of offices it rents in the 51-story tower. The decision comes a decade before Target's lease expires in 2031.

Its impact reaches beyond a single office complex to every corner of a downtown business district largely vacated since the pandemic darkened workplaces and started a high-tech revolution for how and where work gets done.

"This could become a signaling event to other companies. That if Target is doing this, then maybe we should think about this, too. That's probably causing heartburn to property managers and owners downtown," said Jim Vos, principal of the Cresa commercial real estate services firm that advises hundreds of office and industrial tenants in the Minneapolis area.

Jeremy Jacobs, managing director for Colliers International and chairman of the Urban Land Institute Minnesota, said that industry insiders long considered Target's huge presence in Minneapolis and were anticipating its decision about what it would do with its downtown real estate.

Thursday's announcement marks "a change, and it will reverberate throughout the community," Jacobs said.

The transformation of the workplace reaches far beyond Minneapolis. A recent Cushman & Wakefield (C & W) national survey revealed that 81% of employers across 35 markets expect to embrace a hybrid office and work-from-home model post-COVID.

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"More people will be working remotely in 2022 than in 2019 on any given day so how do you make that work?" asked David C. Smith, Cushman & Wakefield's global head of Occupier Research.

New "remote work" dynamics post-COVID will lower U.S. office tenant absorption rates by up to 18%, its research suggests. In the Twin Cities, Prime Therapeutics has already announced it will give up its Bloomington office lease and relocate 700 workers into its Eagan headquarters as it adopts a hybrid work model.

Other firms with smaller footprints also shrunk office space in Minneapolis, but being small, it was not front-page news, said Vos at Cresa.

According to C & W, about 22% of Minneapolis' core business district's 28.4 million square feet of office space sits vacant.

Vos noted that Target's decision to leave City Center could benefit other businesses looking for attractive and convenient downtown space that is close to public transportation, parking and area highways. Vos said he believes Target got a great deal on its City Center rent, so it could potentially pass its savings along should it decide to sublease its old space to new tenants.

But prospective tenants aside, many in the marketplace won't view Target's decision as good news. Downtown's former Macy's store that reopened in September as a converted Dayton's Project office complex is still hunting for tenants for the 1.2 million-square-foot tower. "This [Target move] puts another million square feet in competition right next door," Vos said. "It's unfortunate."

Pam McCrea, chairwoman of the Downtown Minneapolis Neighborhood Association said Target's hybrid remote work model means there will be more employees "who are out of the city, who won't be patronizing our restaurants and skyway stores and food trucks" five days a week, she said. "More employers are going to [embrace] work-from-home [options] and won't invest in downtowns like they have in the past," she said.

The loss of Target in the City Center "does hurt," said Ryan Cos. Director of Real Estate Development Carl Runck. But he insisted the city has been here before, when Pillsbury was bought by General Mills in 2001 and suddenly no longer needed its downtown headquarters tower on 3rd Avenue and 5th Street.

"We survived and bounced back then and refilled the space. And we will continue to evolve now," Runck said.

Several historic downtown office buildings such as the Foshay, the Rand Tower, and the Plymouth Building were converted into hotels while other vacated buildings also found new lives after losing major tenants in recent decades, Runck said.

But the future of hotels is now also in question due to COVID's impact on travel. Separately, the City Center's spatial planning may not bode well as a hotel-redevelopment project anyway. Still, there are other possible uses, Runck said, noting that some firms such as Deluxe Corp. and Principal Financial decided to relocate their headquarters offices from the suburbs to downtown Minneapolis. Others may follow suit.

"Just because an office building is vacant doesn't mean it can't be repurposed," Runck said. "There is always more to these stories than doom and gloom. There is renewal."

Brent Wittenberg, vice president at Marquette Advisors, a research firm that tracks the residential rental market, said that before the Target move, the downtown Minneapolis apartment vacancy rate was expected to remain elevated, likely in the 10 to 11% range this year. It's too soon to predict how Target's decision will affect that figure.

The biggest effect is likely to be on apartment buildings that are within the central business district that surrounds City Center, he said. Apartment buildings in peripheral neighborhoods such as the North Loop and Mill District are less likely to be less affected.

There's evidence that it's not just jobs that brings renters to the area. During 2020, when most downtown offices were shuttered, the area absorbed about 1,200 new apartment rentals.

"That had nothing to do with jobs, that has everything to do with the lifestyle opportunity," he said. "I'm encouraged by that."

Staff writer Jim Buchta contributed to this story.

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[stumppy]

A friend of mine, 60, male, caught the virus a few months ago. Got pretty sick but wasn't hospitalized. Got the first Moderna shot yesterday morning and was fine until this morning. Right at 24 hrs after injection he came down pretty sick. Said it was worse than the worse day when he had the virus.
Just talked to him and he said it's starting to ease up a bit but still feeling pretty bad.

[HonestChieffan]

got Moderna shot 2 today, no effects at all for me, wife has very minor soreness in arm near shot. Pretty much as expected, adverse reactions are pretty rare and many are just people complaining about nothing.

[Hawker007]

Update on my J&J shot. Wife and I felt good and then both got mild fever/chills in the middle of the night the first night. We both took 2 Tylenol and then felt fine but were sweating due to fighting the mild fever. After that just a bit fatigued the next day. After that, been completely normal.

[stevieray]

Took cough medicine, feel better.

Will let you know how it goes tmrw. took a pic with the cough syrup.

[displacedinMN]

I get 2nd today. will let you know. Although my boss wants me to work at the golf course tomorrow.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by displacedinMN

I get 2nd today. will let you know. Although my boss wants me to work at the golf course tomorrow.

Just use it as an excuse to bitch about minor discomfort and skip work...that's what everyone else seems to do

[HonestChieffan]

24 hours post injection, Moderna shot 2.

Lil bit of neck stiffness but could be how i laid on a pillow. injection site little tender. No other issues. Wife had a headache but that may be due to me being around

Crazy how fast the injection rate is growing across the country. Arrowhead will be a site for mass injections next week. Lady at the injection site we went to said they may used Dollar Generals to get into the small rural towns.

[displacedinMN]

Originally Posted by loochy

Just use it as an excuse to bitch about minor discomfort and skip work...that's what everyone else seems to do

Like those pussies that get a vasectomy and think they need four days off work to watch basketball

[TLO]

Italy is going on lockdown again.