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Old 11-21-2017, 04:16 PM  
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David Carr " Chiefs have higher upside with Mahomes"
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Yet, here we are looking at the same Kansas City Chiefs offense we've seen year after year.



The Chiefs have made three playoff appearances since Reid took over as head coach in 2013, losing once in the wild-card game (2013) and twice in the divisional round (2015, 2016). I'm a fan of Reid and quarterback Alex Smith, but with the way things are right now, they'll be sitting at home while Pittsburgh and New England duke it out on Championship Sunday.

I was Smith's teammate in San Francisco for one year (2010) and I got to know him well. When the weather starts playing a bigger factor in games late in the season, he's not a guy who can make tough throws in tough conditions. He's particular and wants the football a certain way. The colder the weather the firmer the ball and other conditions make the ball slippery. It's really hard to play in inclement weather as a quarterback, yet there are some guys -- like Brett Favre -- who could grab a ball out of a bucket of water or pile of mud and hurl it downfield. But everybody's not like that, including Smith. The conditions have to be right and the running game has to be there. As we've witnessed throughout his career, Smith isn't often going to transcend an offense and win a game on huge throws -- a frequent critique. He's just not that type of quarterback.

Early in the season, we saw Smith make those big plays and the Chiefs were rolling. We've seen downfield shots slowly digress as the season's gone on, a trend that goes back to at least the past two seasons. Since 2015, Smith has been far more effective throwing the ball down field (20-pus air yards) through the Chiefs' first eight games than he has in their final eight, completing more passes (42.1 percent vs. 36.7 percent) with a better TD-to-INT ratio (8:0 vs. 2:4) and a significantly higher passer rating (124.3 vs. 63.1).

Furthermore, since Smith's first year with the Chiefs in 2013, his passer rating on pass attempts of more than 20 yards has fallen off in the second half of the season.

September: 92.0
October: 111.1
November: 63.5
Dec.-Jan.: 68.8

The Chiefs' high-flying offense started to stall after the Steelers exposed a weakness in Week 6. Pittsburgh played more zone coverage and allowed them to throw the ball underneath by respecting the ability of Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce to make things happen downfield. In addition, the run game hasn't been as effective the last five games (the Chiefs are 1-4 in that stretch), averaging 81 rush yards per game. That's 70 yards per game fewer than Kansas City put up in its first five games (all wins). In my opinion, Smith needs the run game to improve or we'll likely see him continue to struggle throwing the ball downfield as this season progresses.

I know this sounds crazy, but there's a case for Patrick Mahomes, who played well in the preseason, to start in place of Smith as the playoffs near. The Chiefs gave up a third-rounder and next year's first to draft Mahomes, viewing him as their franchise quarterback of the future. He's a gunslinger who adds another dimension in the pass game when a) the weather worsens, and b) they're trying to go head to head with the AFC's best offenses.

It's definitely possible the Chiefs could find themselves in a Nathan Peterman situation, especially if they don't handle the timing of the switch well. We don't know. What I do know, though, is we can expect the same ending to the Chiefs' story if they don't change up their cast of characters.


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Old 01-01-2018, 04:21 PM   #496
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and six of the points were FG's

but that's okay if it isn't Smith, right?
When have I ever complained about Field goals!. Points are what matters most

That being said, the first FG was kicked because Robinson dropped a perfect pass. The other FG was a game winner, always acceptable
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Old 01-01-2018, 04:24 PM   #497
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..and I'll counter your stance is 20 years of the pit of misery and being shell shocked.

Listen, the guy showed great intangibles. That's awesome.

But he barely eeked by a Paxton Lynch led 5-10 Broncos.

Winning seasons.
Back to back division championships.
First playoff win in over 20 years.
Chance for the first playoff win @ home in almost 25 years.

I know this doesn't mean much to the board, but it does to Reid/Clark.

It's extremely hard to win in the NFL, regardless of how much people here downplay it.
Yeah he "barely eeked by a Paxton lynch 5-10 Broncos team" without the teams 1000+ yard wr, 1000+ yard TE, all pro corner, best all around linebacker in the nfl, the teams starting nt, and one run from the league's leading rusher. All in his first start ever, and he was saddled with terrible starting field position all day long to boot.

And then we have to hear about how lucky "he was for the d to score 6 to save the day" but all of you guys conveniently seem to leave out that he wouldn't have needed that if bray hadn't cluster ****ed a hand off.

AND THEN he comes back into the game and drives us right down the field to win the game.

I can't see how anyone can complain about anything.
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Smith lost to 3-13, 5-11, 6-10 teams. And he did this with Hill, Hunt, and Kelce
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and six of the points were FG's

but that's okay if it isn't Smith, right?
Your dumbass is REALLY gonna pull this shit on a rookie playing his first NFL game with backups compared to a 13 year vet with elite weapons like Kareem Hunt, Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill surrounding him?

Just stop while you’re ahead. This is where it goes downhill for you.
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Smith lost to 3-13, 5-11, 6-10 teams. And he did this with Hill, Hunt, and Kelce
....and still made the playoffs.
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We're supposed to be disappointed that Mahomes led KC to a 3 point win in Denver when Denver played more starters?

And Mahomes goes for 284 in his first start? And gets his first GWD?

Okay. Gonna be a great career of this is "disappointment"
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....and still made the playoffs.
Cool, now let's see him do something while he's there.
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People still hanging on to 9-win QBs SMH

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Your dumbass is REALLY gonna pull this shit on a rookie playing his first NFL game with backups compared to a 13 year vet with elite weapons like Kareem Hunt, Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill surrounding him?

Just stop while you’re ahead. This is where it goes downhill for you.
I literally hate Alex fans.
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....and still made the playoffs.
You missed the point.
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Wait, you mean Mahomes is gonna have a bad game sometimes? Like he's not going to be perfect every week??

Shit. Trade him then.
I've said already that if Alex is struggling you have to pull him and put the kid in. Alex has struggled all year long and yet Reid has not made the change.

Why do you suppose that is?
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Your dumbass is REALLY gonna pull this shit on a rookie playing his first NFL game with backups compared to a 13 year vet with elite weapons like Kareem Hunt, Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill surrounding him?

Just stop while you’re ahead. This is where it goes downhill for you.
YOU GUYS are the ones comparing, you just don't like it when it gets flipped back on you.
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If Smith played that game yesterday with the players that Mahomes had....would he have “squeaked by” the 5-10 Broncos? No. Probably not.

Some of the takes here are complete ****ing garbage.
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....and still made the playoffs.
Smith had a good year and was probably the team MVP

But he's not the future. The fact we are comparing a rookie making his first start to Smith is very telling on the potential of the players and expectations

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