***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

NY has already proven the elderly are their last concern.

Ouch!

True....but ouch!

[BigRedChief]

Want to get vaccinated in Florida? Just show up at a vaccine site, wait in line about 4-8 hours, show an ID to prove your a resident, you get vaccinated.

First come first serve down here.

[petegz28]

Someone splain this to me because it doesn't seem to match up with what we "hear". Seems the increase in deaths this year isn't necessarily out of the norm.

CDC Says...

2016: 2.74m deaths
2017: 2.813m deaths
2018: 2.839m deaths
2019: 2.855m deaths
2020 YTD 2.902m deaths

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/dea...ca1dR5ajeqZho4

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Want to get vaccinated in Florida? Just show up at a vaccine site, wait in line about 4-8 hours, show an ID to prove your a resident, you get vaccinated.

First come first serve down here.

I think that's a good idea but I think they also need to get some kind of group together to visit care facilities and such for people who cannot get out on their own. Or maybe they are.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Someone splain this to me because it doesn't seem to match up with what we "hear". Seems the increase in deaths this year isn't necessarily out of the norm.

CDC Says...

2016: 2.74m deaths
2017: 2.813m deaths
2018: 2.839m deaths
2019: 2.855m deaths
2020 YTD 2.902m deaths

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/dea...ca1dR5ajeqZho4

https://apnews.com/article/us-corona...4ee2e87ae8d5e7

[Otter]

Originally Posted by Otter

Citizens will turn against one another, call the police on their neighbors, then up the penalties because there's too much non-compliance.

Just call me "Swami".

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Otter

Just call me "Swami".

That guy is a hero.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Want to get vaccinated in Florida? Just show up at a vaccine site, wait in line about 4-8 hours, show an ID to prove your a resident, you get vaccinated.

First come first serve down here.

Can I borrow your ID?

[Otter]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

That guy is a hero.

See how it's unfolding:

Health Inspector: I'm just doing my job.

Cops: We're just doing our job.

Small Business: We don't have jobs and you assholes are bankrupting us!

Cops: Stay calm, Sir and comply or we'll take you to jail.

[Otter]

THIS SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING
. 😷 😕
MASKS DON'T WORK - MANDATES ARE NOT LAWS pic.twitter.com/o0Ytd7QRT0

— Kimona - Trump Won ❤🇺🇸 (@KimonaQ) December 30, 2020

[Rain Man]

That guy is a massive stupid jerk. 10 to 1 odds that he caused a big scene in the store trying to get people sick, but he won't show video of that.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Someone splain this to me because it doesn't seem to match up with what we "hear". Seems the increase in deaths this year isn't necessarily out of the norm.

CDC Says...

2016: 2.74m deaths
2017: 2.813m deaths
2018: 2.839m deaths
2019: 2.855m deaths
2020 YTD 2.902m deaths

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/dea...ca1dR5ajeqZho4

The Doomsday guys were wrong. They were predicting the equivalent of 1 years natural death at the Royal Society, Imperial College etc. And their advice is what prompted the extreme measures and lockdowns.

Others said it would be closer to 1 month natural death. Those people were laughed at but were right all along.

[TLO]

The CDC estimates that 91M Americans were infected with Covid by the end of September. Through October 31, 230K had died of Covid - a total IFR of 0.25% with those over 65 having an IFR more than 3000X worse that than those under 18: pic.twitter.com/5VFe4PV2NM

— PLC (@Humble_Analysis) December 30, 2020

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

The Doomsday guys were wrong. They were predicting the equivalent of 1 years natural death at the Royal Society, Imperial College etc. And their advice is what prompted the extreme measures and lockdowns.

Others said it would be closer to 1 month natural death. Those people were laughed at but were right all along.

They were predicting that many deaths with the lockdowns?

The Washington Post had a map of every county in the US and the expected number of cases with no lockdowns, 'medium' measures, and 'extreme' measures.... I think it's behind a paywall now, but would be interesting to look at it again.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by TLO

Can I borrow your ID?

Its suppose to be 65 and older. Just because others are jumping the line doesn't mean I have to also. I'll wait until its my legitimate place in line to get the vaccine.