***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Or let's put it this way, only 50% or so of people get the flu shot. WTF do we think we are going to get 90% of people vaccinated at all with the Covid vaccine let alone in a year or less?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I think that makes an assumption that the only way to get HI is to vaccinate and nothing else. I think that's inaccurate.

The current recommendation is even if you had covid like yourself you still need to get vaccinated.

But anyway that link I posted you can use the slider to see how long it will take. If you drop HI down to 70% doing 25 million vaccines a week it will still take 20 weeks approximately.

Which means we better get on it.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

The current recommendation is even if you had covid like yourself you still need to get vaccinated.

But anyway that link I posted you can use the slider to see how long it will take. If you drop HI down to 70% doing 25 million vaccines a week it will still take 20 weeks approximately.

Which means we better get on it.

People who have had it should be last on the list. And, if we've really had 10 x the number of confirmed cases, that's 6% of the country.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I think we need to have the immediate focus on how soon we start seeing an impact from the vaccine and keep HI in the background.

Get the death #'s to start coming down and I think the entire psychology of this changes significantly.

So by that I mean get the old people and high risk people vaccinated and the death numbers will start to come down in a hurry. I think that will change a lot of things before we get to HI because the stigma of death will have largely been removed.

Maybe that's not the goal here.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Maybe that's not the goal here.

What is the goal then?

[louie aguiar]

Originally Posted by Donger

People who have had it should be last on the list. And, if we've really had 10 x the number of confirmed cases, that's 6% of the country.

There's been around 20M confirmed cases, if it's 10x, the number with immunity would be 200M which is nearly 2/3 of the country. I think 10x might be on the high side - I've seen estimates from 3x to over 20x. Even if it is 3x though that's still nearly 20% of the country that could have some immunity which is a great start in reaching HI.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by louie aguiar

There's been around 20M confirmed cases, if it's 10x, the number with immunity would be 200M which is nearly 2/3 of the country. I think 10x might be on the high side - I've seen estimates from 3x to over 20x. Even if it is 3x though that's still nearly 20% of the country that could have some immunity which is a great start in reaching HI.

Yes, that's why I said confirmed, not presumed.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

What is the goal then?

Maybe there is something else. Maybe it's just large scale incompetence. But we can see that reducing death has not been the top priority in this vaccine rollout.

Wowowow this is unbelievable - the politics of trying to shove vaccines onto everyone superseded the reality that nursing home residents are FAR more at risk than almost everyone else. And she admits it! pic.twitter.com/Hi0ehyb1HB

— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) December 29, 2020

[kgrund]

The tricky part is that the "confirmed" cases is not even necessarily a really solid number given the known issues with the PCR test.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by kgrund

The tricky part is that the "confirmed" cases is not even necessarily a really solid number given the known issues with the PCR test.

Have not all cases confirmed via PCR been infected with SARS-CoV-2, despite the "issues" with said test?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Maybe there is something else. Maybe it's just large scale incompetence. But we can see that reducing death has not been the top priority in this vaccine rollout.

Political post. Reported.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Maybe there is something else. Maybe it's just large scale incompetence. But we can see that reducing death has not been the top priority in this vaccine rollout.

Wowowow this is unbelievable - the politics of trying to shove vaccines onto everyone superseded the reality that nursing home residents are FAR more at risk than almost everyone else. And she admits it! pic.twitter.com/Hi0ehyb1HB

— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) December 29, 2020

"We can't give nursing home residents the vaccine because it might make them kick the bucket."

[RunKC]

I don’t really care whose fault it is. The fact remains that it’s an embarrassment that we have so many doses ready and very few have been shot in arms.

We’ve literally had months and months to figure this shit out and this is what happens.

Jesus

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

Political post. Reported.

It's not a political post reerun. Having a person responsible for rolling out the vaccines say they voted against giving it to nursing home residents first because they preferred vaccine safety perception management to reducing death is NEWSWORTHY and worth discussing.

As for politics, I can tell you are very into it. I am not. Could care less and don't vote. So of course, again, you have no idea what you are talking about but would like to censor any idea, thought or action that doesn't fit into propaganda YOUR small mind would find acceptable.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I don’t really care whose fault it is. The fact remains that it’s an embarrassment that we have so many doses ready and very few have been shot in arms.

We’ve literally had months and months to figure this shit out and this is what happens.

Jesus

The CDC vaccine tracker is updated on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Hopefully, we'll see a big uptick today.