***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Titty Meat]

Yikes

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox...pore-hong-kong

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

today is my last day of work.


I got one more check coming than I have no idea how I'm gonna pay my share of rent.

Sorry to hear.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by TLO

Nice of you to cherry pick a comment from February 27th.

Go back to DC

No thanks for the most part people aren't being dicks in here.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

im not a financial wiz or play one on TV but it seems to me that nothing has changed in the economy that’s going to last after this health scare is over. Businesses start restaffing up, Why wouldn’t stocks go back up, people go on cruises, vacations, start buying stuff again?

Not if a giant percentage have been unemployed for months and are now broke and behind in mortgage payments. Not for those who lost everything as their businesses went bankrupt. This shutdown phase needs to be brief or we're looking at a disaster for our way of life. And it won't just spring back.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Yikes

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox...pore-hong-kong

I think this is well know.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

im not a financial wiz or play one on TV but it seems to me that nothing has changed in the economy that’s going to last after this health scare is over. Businesses start restaffing up, Why wouldn’t stocks go back up, people go on cruises, vacations, start buying stuff again?

Okay, I will tell you what you are missing.

Waiters, waitresses, people who work in gyms, theaters, etc. are all being sent home. Many are hourly workers. Many can't work from home. Some are small businesses and are going to shut down.

People still have bills to pay, mouths to feed, etc. The economy has now been wrecked and it's going to take a long time to recover. Right now it looks like at least several months.

And then you got the whole thing of schools closing leaving some parents in the situation of choosing their job or their kid. This "work at home" mantra everyone is saying to do only applies to a minority of our workforce.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, but you mention right and left. That's politics. It doesn't belong here. Take it to DC if you must.

fair enough I'll mention no political sides.

[Hammock Parties]

Here are the young men and young women (I refuse to call them “kids“) celebrating spring break in Fort Lauderdale. They are going to bring coronavirus home to their parents & grandparents. And they do not care. pic.twitter.com/SmJAwr7Lpk

— Tommy Krasker (@TommyKrasker) March 15, 2020

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP

I think this is well know.

Is it? We literally just had a poster say we arent France.

[crayzkirk]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Airlines want $50 billion in bailout money, to start with. Most airlines in the world are expecting to be bankrupt by May 2020.

How are we suppose to bail out every industry and ourselfs when this is all over?

Considering that the Airlines have been screwing fliers since Katrina. Fares increased dramatically and fees were added for bags to cover the cost of fuel increases. After fuel costs dropped, did fares return to normal and fees removed? Heck no. Let the CEOs give back some of their (our) money.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Here are the young men and young women (I refuse to call them “kids“) celebrating spring break in Fort Lauderdale. They are going to bring coronavirus home to their parents & grandparents. And they do not care. pic.twitter.com/SmJAwr7Lpk

— Tommy Krasker (@TommyKrasker) March 15, 2020

it's sad to see such disregard for human life.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Sorry to hear.

I can't be mad about it I don't want this spreading any more than it has to.

just sucks.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson

Uh, that’s not how it works.

The significant percent of the population that experienced a financial shock (job, stock market) aren’t just going to resume spending as usual right away.

I’m aware but I was talking long term, not the next week after the national emergency is over. It took a way long time to recover after 9/11 than it should have because people were fearful. I’m thinking once this virus runs it’s course, people won’t have the fear they had after 9/11.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by wazu

This shutdown phase needs to be brief or we're looking at a disaster for our way of life. And it won't just spring back.

I was assuming that this wide spread shutdown is going to be short. If not, yeah, it’s going to have a lasting effect on the economy.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

I can't be mad about it I don't want this spreading any more than it has to.

just sucks.

You are voluntarily quitting your job?