***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

How to End Lockdowns Next Month
Target vaccines to the most vulnerable, and don’t give them to people who have already been infected.

Thanks to Operation Warp Speed, Americans will have enough doses to inoculate 20 million people in December and 30 million more in January. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has rightly put nursing-home residents first in line; 38% of U.S. Covid deaths are connected to those settings. Frontline medical personnel will also receive priority; those who care for the elderly should receive special priority. So should people under 65 who are at severely elevated mortality from Covid-19 infection due to severe chronic disease.

These recommendations should reflect vaccine facts published by Pfizer. The company excluded people who had previously been infected with Covid-19 from its analysis, undoubtedly because natural immunity after recovery is known to be robust, so it expected the vaccine to provide no additional protection for them. Children weren’t part of the vaccine trials and shouldn’t receive the vaccine unless it is proved to be safe for them. Not vaccinating those who have recovered will preserve doses for the vulnerable and still susceptible. Priority should be given based on medical risk, not politics, or else more people will needlessly die.

Some 50 million people in the U.S. are over 65. The number of vaccine doses expected to be available over the next two months will be enough to vaccinate every elderly person who wants to be inoculated, as well as health-care workers and other vulnerable people. With a 90%-plus efficacy rate in protecting against Covid-19 symptoms, we will achieve near-perfect focused protection.

At that point, the lockdown should end immediately and forever. For healthy young and middle-aged people, especially for minorities and the poor, the lockdown’s harm far outstrips the harms from infection.

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I don't see any reason why I would need the vaccine any time soon. They told me I was immune for 3 months but I think we know it's much longer than that. I will get it at some point but I agree that if you have already had Covid you probably don't need the vaccine anytime soon unless you had it several months ago and are older.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I got my shot. I am still alive

watch for early signs of appendages growing out of the side of your neck.....

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Millions of doses of the*COVID-19 vaccine are languishing in warehouses awaiting shipment instructions from the Trump administration*— even as states are clamoring for them — vaccine manufacturer Pzifer said in a statement Thursday.



The startling bottleneck is occurring as America is breaking daily COVID-19 death tolls. The U.S.*lost more people on Wednesday alone (3,611) than the number of people who died on 9/11.



Officials in several states said they were told Wednesday that their second shipments of Pfizer-BioNTech’s vaccine next week has been*mysteriously reduced, CNN reported. That triggered fears by states that the Trump administration may be incapable of hitting the target of delivering enough vaccine doses for 20 million injections by the end of the year. A source told The Washington Post that Pfizer executives were “baffled”*that the Trump administration wasn’t immediately shipping out all of the vaccine.

Dude.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Dude.

dudette

[LTL]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I got my shot. I am still alive

Me to

[LTL]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I win, mine will be at 7AM.

Shit. 810 to be exact. Most that i know that have gotten it are just ssying their arm is sore

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by LTL

Shit. 810 to be exact. Most that i know that have gotten it are just ssying their arm is sore

Congrats. There were a few people complaining about their arm sore. Mine is fine and I feel normal but I am expecting the 2nd shot to be the worse one.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Dude.

Well we knew this thing was going to get political. I called it last week before the Pfizer was completed. The media and others can't help themselves.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Congrats. There were a few people complaining about their arm sore. Mine is fine and I feel normal but I am expecting the 2nd shot to be the worse one.

What I have heard is expect a sore arm and a few days of feeling like shit.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

Hoping with the vaccines and such rolling out we won’t have a big Xmas and new year spike.

Could see 5k deaths per day?

Why would you assume that?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Why would you assume that?

I don't know where people get that? It seems if you go by what has happened so far you would need to see cases literally double if not triple from here to get to that level of daily deaths.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Congrats. There were a few people complaining about their arm sore. Mine is fine and I feel normal but I am expecting the 2nd shot to be the worse one.

How long before your next stick? 3 weeks?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Why would you assume that?

With the number of cases we have now it would make sense.

People dying today were cases 2/3 weeks ago.

[stevieray]

Are we still pretending that most of these deaths aren't still caused by having underlying health issues?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Are we still pretending that most of these deaths aren't still caused by having underlying health issues?

You’re right, those don’t matter