***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

You were not seriously asking. If you were it came off as rather rhetorical.


I have said this a hundred times and I will say it again, if you want to lock things down then fine. But you have to compensate the businesses and their employees and such.

I feel a lot better about it if a business suffers because people choose not to go out. That can happen at any time for any reason and does every few years because of simple economic swings.

That being said I am not a fan of shutting people down and tell them too ****ing bad when I have a pay check and I am not impacted by said edict.

When it was "mandated" businesses had the backstop of governmental help. When it's up to the public, they woudln't have had.

Theoretically atleast. But that hasn't been the case as we've seen Congress fiddle around.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No, the no lock down crowd is not just the no government crowd. That's you once again having to pigeon hole people that don't agree with you.

Lock every thing down.

Who is paying the rents, mortgages, bills, salaries? Who is buying food? Who is teaching the kids?


See, it's real easy to say "lock it all down" when you sit at home collecting a check. Meanwhile you have no problems making people homeless and starve.

I have never said to lock everything down but scientifically it is a way to reduce the spread of a virus. Realistically it doesn't always make sense but you still want to mitigate it as much as you can .

I don't remember you starting anything threads about starving/homeless people before 2020, pretty sure those have been an issue in the US way before covid, maybe I missed it , got a link?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

When it was "mandated" businesses had the backstop of governmental help. When it's up to the public, they woudln't have had.

Theoretically atleast. But that hasn't been the case as we've seen Congress fiddle around.

I agree. When congress can get over their pissing contest we can talk lock downs if we need to.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I have never said to lock everything down but scientifically it is a way to reduce the spread of a virus. Realistically it doesn't always make sense but you still want to mitigate it as much as you can .

I don't remember you starting anything threads about starving/homeless people before 2020, pretty sure those have been an issue in the US way before covid, maybe I missed it , got a link?

Yeah because before 2020 we had a 3%-4% unemployment rate and about 3 million people out of work mostly because they chose to be.

Now we have 30 mil out of work and jobs aren't there.


But hey, you know....before and what not

[Pants]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Quality post. Compelling and rich.

You haven't had one of those in this entire thread, pete. And as DaFace mentioned, you've been putting in some work here to say the least.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Pants

You haven't had one of those in this entire thread, pete. And as DaFace mentioned, you've been putting in some work here to say the least.

Well this certainly adds to the list of informative and not in any way a bitching, whiney type of posts.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah because before 2020 we had a 3%-4% unemployment rate and about 3 million people out of work mostly because they chose to be.

Now we have 30 mil out of work and jobs aren't there.


But hey, you know....before and what not

I am sure all those people chose to live on the streets, such a great lifestyle .

I am sure the government didn't think about the possible issues of what they doing and were just doing it to be dicks .

[Pants]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well this certainly adds to the list of informative and not in any way a bitching, whiney type of posts.

LOL. I wasn't complaining.

Anyway.

The fact that we are starting the administration of vaccines is great news. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end for this ****ing thing.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Pants

LOL. I wasn't complaining.

Anyway.

The fact that we are starting the administration of vaccines is great news. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end for this ****ing thing.

That's the hope. Just hope politics stay out of it.

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[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I am sure all those people chose to live on the streets, such a great lifestyle .



I am sure the government didn't think about the possible issues of what they doing and were just doing it to be dicks .

Tell that to the people in NY right now. I'm sure knowing the government thought this out will make them feel better about losing their job.

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[Pasta Little Brioni]

Ya just **** all the small businesses, **** middle/ lower middle class people out of work, and **** the ones in extreme poverty just to satisfy the illusion of doing something....they made things much much worse in regards to mental health, finances, and people starving.

Yeah great...

[MahomesMagic]

Andrew Cuomo callously tells restaurants to be grateful

Gov. Andrew Cuomo didn’t say of struggling bar and restaurant workers and owners, “Let them eat cake.” He went even lower, telling them to be grateful for the crumbs he’s letting them have.

Responding to criticism Monday for banning indoor dining in the city when his own contact-tracing data show just 1.43 percent of state cases are linked to bars and restaurants, Cuomo blustered, “Let’s focus on what the real issues are,” dismissing “people who are concerned” about losing their livelihoods...

Instead of trying to help the thousands of people he’s putting out of work, the author of “American Crisis: Leadership Lessons from the COVID-19 Pandemic” is helping only himself: He’s hosting a celebrity-studded virtual birthday and holiday reception Thursday night, with tickets from $1,000 to $10,000, with the proceeds going into his political coffers. Apparently, that’s what leadership looks like these days.

https://nypost.com/2020/12/15/andrew...o-be-grateful/

[Marcellus]

If you want to hear some positive data, we have had 2 employees antibody tested, one that was positive in early June and one in early July and they both still had active antibodies.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

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Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

[BigRedChief]

We are averaging two American citizens dying every minute of every day from Covid-19.