***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Donger

And, FWIW:

“I believe by the end of February, the end of March, of course, depending on the decisions by our governors, but I believe we’ll have enough supply out there to be reaching out to the general public for administration — at your CVS, Walgreens, Kroegers — by the end of February into March,” Azar said.

maybe. Easy words to say now. Doesn’t work, it’s the other guys fault. He’s a politician. I’ll wait on a time table from the scientists.

[TLO]

Reports coming out about a "serious adverse reaction" to the Pfizer vaccine by a healthcare worker in Alaska.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

Reports coming out about a "serious adverse reaction" to the Pfizer vaccine by a healthcare worker in Alaska.

It was an allergic reaction. Worker has not had allergic reactions from drug use before but they don't know if they have any severe allergies either.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1775186.html

[petegz28]

Also it appears to be the same allergic reaction the 2 Brits had...

[DaFace]

Wonder what we're talking about in terms of incidence rate and severity. It clearly seems like people with a history of allergies should avoid it for now. Just curious if this is a 1 in 100,000 kind of deal or much more frequent than that. And whether it's something that is a real danger or something that can be managed pretty easily.

[DaFace]

It does sound like the Alaska case was managed with an epi injection, so as long as that kind of thing can be watched for, I don't think it's a HUGE issue at least.

It does make me worry a bit about the idea of the vaccines being given in places like grocery stores, though.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Wonder what we're talking about in terms of incidence rate and severity. It clearly seems like people with a history of allergies should avoid it for now. Just curious if this is a 1 in 100,000 kind of deal or much more frequent than that. And whether it's something that is a real danger or something that can be managed pretty easily.

CDC is only saying those with severe allergies that are known. If you have normal allergies like to food etc you can take the vaccine.

Nice chart in the Appendix.


https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ns-precautions

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Itchiness is an allergic reaction
An erythematous rash is an allergic reaction
Anaphylaxis is an allergic reaction

The fact that they used epi would make one believe the reaction was more serious, but it's also possible that they were using an abundance of caution when Benadryl would have sufficed.

All areas that vaccinate are required to have quick access to epi in case of an allergic reaction. Overall incidence of anaphylaxis is <2 per 1,000,000 vaccinations.

[TLO]

The southern Plains states seem to have hit a plateau before Thanksgiving and may have begun their inevitable descent: pic.twitter.com/kjcBKb6vSu

— PLC (@Humble_Analysis) December 16, 2020

[Hawker007]

That's some really interesting data in there, but who is PLC? And I have no idea where they are getting their data from and if it is accurate. If it is accurate.....

[sedated]

Originally Posted by kgrund

In the context of 330 million Americans, that is a few.

I'm curious, when taken in the context of the US (or worldwide) population, has there been any event considered "more than a few"?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Hawker007

That's some really interesting data in there, but who is PLC? And I have no idea where they are getting their data from and if it is accurate. If it is accurate.....

No idea who PLC is, but the data comes from covidtracking.com which has been a reliable source of information throughout the pandemic.

[Donger]

Covid vaccine technology pioneer: 'I never doubted it would work'

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...-it-would-work

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Donger

Covid vaccine technology pioneer: 'I never doubted it would work'

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...-it-would-work

The article never says if she herself has taken the vaccine, though. Strange oversight.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by TLO

The southern Plains states seem to have hit a plateau before Thanksgiving and may have begun their inevitable descent: pic.twitter.com/kjcBKb6vSu

— PLC (@Humble_Analysis) December 16, 2020

Any reason at this point why numbers would ever trend back up even without a vaccine then?