***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

Don't trust the Germans.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

The severe Covid was in the placebo arm IIRC.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

One patient out of 18,000 got a severe case of COVID.

If you guys have a choice which one would you get?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

If you guys have a choice which one would you get?

I don't think I'd have a problem with either. Both have very strong data

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

If you guys have a choice which one would you get?

Haven't seen the full Moderna data yet, but if the Pfizer vaccine is available, get it now. It is more than effective enough, quite safe, and was dosed on a shorter interval.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

I don't think I'd have a problem with either. Both have very strong data

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Haven't seen the full Moderna data yet, but if the Pfizer vaccine is available, get it now. It is more than effective enough, quite safe, and was dosed on a shorter interval.

I keep going back and forth and part of my decision was I know the Moderna will be here this time next week. they are giving us today to change our mind...decisions decisions

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I keep going back and forth and part of my decision was I know the Moderna will be here this time next week. they are giving us today to change our mind...decisions decisions

The sooner you get the shot the sooner you get full protection.

[MahomesMagic]

.@BillGates on Covid: "Even through 2022” we should be prepared for life to not return to “normal”

Says “sadly" it’s "appropriate” for bars and restaurants to close over the next "four to six months" pic.twitter.com/cmDD8pv3XR

— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) December 13, 2020

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

.@BillGates on Covid: "Even through 2022” we should be prepared for life to not return to “normal”

Says “sadly" it’s "appropriate” for bars and restaurants to close over the next "four to six months" pic.twitter.com/cmDD8pv3XR

— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) December 13, 2020

Easy for one of the richest guys in the world to tell other people to close their business and deal with it.

Or is he and his "charity" going to flip their bill? Get it....flip their "bill"???

Ah, I'm cracking myself up over here

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I keep going back and forth and part of my decision was I know the Moderna will be here this time next week. they are giving us today to change our mind...decisions decisions

I wish I was faced with your decision. I'd be getting that shot today.

While incredibly likely the Moderna vaccine passes all the prerequisites to be approved, there's no guarantee.

[petegz28]

Coronavirus vaccine distribution plans: State-by-state breakdown

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coron...tate-breakdown

[LTL]

Hospital I'm at its getting pfizer. They think their is possibilty of it being here tomorrow they just don't know how many doses they will actually get. We did a survey of who wants it n who will decline it. Few of the ones that i work with are declining it n taking a wait n see approach.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by LTL

Hospital I'm at its getting pfizer. They think their is possibilty of it being here tomorrow they just don't know how many doses they will actually get. We did a survey of who wants it n who will decline it. Few of the ones that i work with are declining it n taking a wait n see approach.

What about you? Have you made a decision on whether or not to take it?

[Katipan]

Originally Posted by JakeF

Wow, haven't seen you around in quite awhile. Hope you are doing well.

Endelt?

I'm great babe. ❤ Thank you! And while I don't have first hand knowledge, Delt better be too. 😉

Originally Posted by vailpass

Thanks for making me google that like homework. Who knew grapefruit inhibited the breakdown of some drugs and toxins? I still dig ‘em though.

I spent 2 hours on this this morning. I'm pretty sure I can kill a man with a grapefruit now.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

If you guys have a choice which one would you get?

I mentioned earlier that my order of preference based on my limited knowledge would be:

1. Moderna - High efficacy and I haven't heard of side effects.
2. Pfizer - High efficacy, but it seems like a couple of days of maybe not feeling good afterwards
3. Astrazeneca - Haven't heard of side effects, but may be lower efficacy, and it's all about that efficacy.

Moderna and Pfizer seem like 1 and 1a, though. The Pfizer may have more short-term unpleasantness, but in the big picture it's only a couple of days. I'd take either of those if one is available sooner.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Katipan

....
I spent 2 hours on this this morning. I'm pretty sure I can kill a man with a grapefruit now.

Another potential improvement would be to make the grapefruit the size of a grape for easy transport. That's going to be a really tart bite, though.