***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Dude, you keep getting off on these tangents that frankly are irrelevant. People eating healthier and exercising would limit strain on our entire medical system.

You don't get to tell someone else they have to do something just because you think it's right. I don't disagree with where you are coming from but we are a free country. All I can do is take care of me. What you do is your business. And yes, that means you getting fat and stroking out from too many double baco-cheeses increases my health care costs.

So this "you have to do it for the good of everyone else" is noble and sounds good but in the end it's bullshit.

Get the vaccine or don't. Live with the consequences of your decisions.

As a society, we have agreed upon norms that are beneficial for society. I believe vaccination is one of them.

[petegz28]

The funny part is that most of you think the people who don't want the vaccine are 'Merica flag waivers who won't take no vaccine that the communist liberal globalist guvment wants them to take. When in reality there are a lot of highly educated and professional people, including doctors who are not wanting to take the vaccine.

And that's what I was saying earlier about having to pigeon hole people who don't agree with you. I would love to see the face on some of you if your doctor who you have trusted with your life told you he wasn't keen on taking the vaccine at this time.

I'd pay to watch you lecture him\her on how stupid they are because you know things.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

As a society, we have agreed upon norms that are beneficial for society. I believe vaccination is one of them.

And one of those norms is people making decisions for themselves for what they think is best for them. Not 1 American has been stuck yet and you're convinced this is the end all. What if in a year we see a lot of bad side effects from this vaccine?

Again, if I needed too I would take the vaccine. I am not making my 7 year old Son take it though.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The funny part is that most of you think the people who don't want the vaccine are 'Merica flag waivers who won't take no vaccine that the communist liberal globalist guvment wants them to take. When in reality there are a lot of highly educated and professional people, including doctors who are not wanting to take the vaccine.

And that's what I was saying earlier about having to pigeon hole people who don't agree with you. I would love to see the face on some of you if your doctor who you have trusted with your life told you he wasn't keen on taking the vaccine at this time.

I'd pay to watch you lecture him\her on how stupid they are because you know things.

If my doctor read the full data release on it and was still skeptical I’d want to know why.

I just listened to a call from the cdc on the data today that Was pretty impressive in terms of the safety and efficacy so I can’t imagine many medical professionals will have many doubts after

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

If my doctor read the full data release on it and was still skeptical I’d want to know why.

I just listened to a call from the cdc on the data today that Was pretty impressive in terms of the safety and efficacy so I can’t imagine many medical professionals will have many doubts after

Oh the CDC...well that will convince a lot of people. They wouldn't be biased in any way of be vested in a particular outcome in all of this would they?

And would it really matter why your doctor was against it? You're convinced it is safe so I have a hunch you would either say he didn't know what he was talking about or you would try to convince him why he was wrong..

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by O.city

As a society, we have agreed upon norms that are beneficial for society. I believe vaccination is one of them.

This wasn't precisely what I was initially talking about, but it fits in well with your continuing argument.

We also have agreed upon political and legal norms that are actively being challenged, I won't be more specific due to the setting, but the point is you have a lot of norms that people are dissatisfied with and they're resisting them to the applause of many, which is fine. But they also want to lean on the agreed-upon norms that still work to their benefit to extract altruism from others.

EDIT - people accuse me of verbosity, so let me try brevity. Central point is, whenever people start saying 'we're all in this together' I get this mental image.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Oh the CDC...well that will convince a lot of people. They wouldn't be biased in any way of be vested in a particular outcome in all of this would they?

And would it really matter why your doctor was against it? You're convinced it is safe so I have a hunch you would either say he didn't know what he was talking about or you would try to convince him why he was wrong..

The data didn’t come from the cdc.

I play golf with my doctor. Have had multiple discussions with him about this whole ordeal. Am close friends with a few immunologists here in town, have a degree in it.

So I’d discuss it with him to the beat of my abilities. In the end, I’d listen to all their opinions and go with what they advise

You’re clearly against it. Why is that? What have you read about it that is giving you issues? Maybe I can help

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

This wasn't precisely what I was initially talking about, but it fits in well with your continuing argument.

We also have agreed upon political and legal norms that are actively being challenged, I won't be more specific due to the setting, but the point is you have a lot of norms that people are dissatisfied with and they're resisting them to the applause of many, which is fine. But they also want to lean on the agreed-upon norms that still work to their benefit to extract altruism from others.

I agree. We’ve botched a lot of shit on this terribly

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Society can move on just like it does with all the other shit. You get vaccinated and take care of you. Just like people who get the flu shot vs. those who do not.

Not just like the Flu. Currently and going forward, according our attorneys that the government is and will be requiring because of the title 9 laws yes I work at a college, every employee has to have their temperature taken every morning and when they return to work from their lunch break. If those individuals have a fever over 100.1 or higher or 2.7 degrees higher than their normal will not be allowed onto the facility or campus until they are fever free without medication for 48 hours or until they have had 2 negative corona virus tests with 72 hours. According to the college that I work at and the university that I will be attending starting in January this will apply to every business or entity that accepts and or receives any type of government funding.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

The data didn’t come from the cdc.

I play golf with my doctor. Have had multiple discussions with him about this whole ordeal. Am close friends with a few immunologists here in town, have a degree in it.

So I’d discuss it with him to the beat of my abilities.

You’re clearly against it. Why is that? What have you read about it that is giving you issues? Maybe I can help

What am I against? I have said several times I would get the vaccine and think people should.

Just because I respect the decision of others makes me "against it"?

Yeah I think you're a LITTLE off base there, bro

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

What am I against? I have said several times I would get the vaccine and think people should.

Just because I respect the decision of others makes me "against it"?

Yeah I think you're a LITTLE off base there, bro

You’ve brought up “what if this in a year, etc”

Seemed skeptical

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

This wasn't precisely what I was initially talking about, but it fits in well with your continuing argument.

We also have agreed upon political and legal norms that are actively being challenged, I won't be more specific due to the setting, but the point is you have a lot of norms that people are dissatisfied with and they're resisting them to the applause of many, which is fine. But they also want to lean on the agreed-upon norms that still work to their benefit to extract altruism from others.

EDIT - people accuse me of verbosity, so let me try brevity. Central point is, whenever people start saying 'we're all in this together' I get this mental image.

In short: I respect your decisions as long as I agree with them.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

You’ve brought up “what if this in a year, etc”

Seemed skeptical

No man, you are cherry picking. I am sorry, I have said throughout this conversation I would take the vaccine. What I am doing that I am sorry to say, you aren't, is respecting where other people, some very well educated and informed people including nurses and doctors, are coming from. They are free to make their choice.

The reality is at some point they will most likely have to get vaccinated. Most likely in relation to their employment. But we are a ways away from that which is why places like hospitals are not mandating it yet.

Nonetheless I think you had better read what I have said because I have never said I am against the vaccine.

[petegz28]

In fact this place can be so ****ing ironic....a few days ago people were on my ass because I was asking WTF we haven't approved the vaccine yet and today some of those same people are claiming I am against the vaccine.


**** your friend's wife one time behind his back and no one trusts you........what bullshit!

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No man, you are cherry picking. I am sorry, I have said throughout this conversation I would take the vaccine. What I am doing that I am sorry to say, you aren't, is respecting where other people, some very well educated and informed people including nurses and doctors, are coming from. They are free to make their choice.

The reality is at some point they will most likely have to get vaccinated. Most likely in relation to their employment. But we are a ways away from that which is why places like hospitals are not mandating it yet.

Nonetheless I think you had better read what I have said because I have never said I am against the vaccine.

We spent a lot of time one semester in bioethics on vaccinations and medications etc

Definitely a tough subject

How am I not respecting where they’re coming from? If people have concerns, that’s fine. With the data and stuff I’ve read, I am not sure they would, it’s very strong.

I haven’t ever said anything about any mandates or such.